I think you’re a willfully audience-captured grifter who at this point isn’t even sure of what he truly believes. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to doubt that a (performative?) schizo such as yourself would make up — or at least greatly exaggerate — an anecdote of having your wallet stolen to post a deliberately provocative tweet calling for the death penalty for all property crimes, then quote tweet the most leftarded responses for further engagement.
There's a million miles between opposing Israeli and antisemitism.
You can oppose Israeli propaganda, Israeli expansionist policy in the Middle East, Israeli bombing of hospitals and schools , Israeli domicide in Gaza, Israeli domicide in the West Bank, Israeli domicide in Jerusalem, Israeli forcing intentional population displacement in Gaza, Israeli preventing international aid from reaching Gaza while their own aid operations kill up to 50 people a day who are seeking aid, Israeli assassination of political leaders, and so on, without being antisemitic. Generally, Israel does a lot of malicious bullshit that is worthy of condemnation.
I think it's a bit over the top to think, literally, Israeli influence in the US is causing US leaders to do what they don't want to do. If we think that's the hyperbolic take of the movie, then that's worth criticizing. In reality, the US likes having Israel as a client state. For some, Israel is the attack dog in the region who they order to blow people up with deniability (Joe Biden's take). Christian Evangelicals are part of a religious apocalyptic death cult that believe Israelis need to rebuild the Temple to hasten the end of the world in their wackadoodle eschatology (Glenn Beck's, Mike Huckabee's, Ted Cruz's take). The genuine antisemites want Israel around so they have a place to exile Jewish folks to from other countries (see: John Hagee, Anders Behring Breivik, or even Arthur Balfour of the famous Balfour declaration fame). So, the US is not being puppetted about on strings, let's be clear. US Leaders support Israel very willingly because Israel is a useful client state in the realpolitik and Machiavellian machinations of a variety of competing interests.
But it's also true that there is a massive and very successful public relations effort on part of the Israeli government to keep the American public on side, to keep the missile and bombs flowing. That isn't an antisemitic conspiracy, that is literally how Netanyahu cut his teeth in American politics, was going to the media to stump for Israel in the US for decades before returning to Israel to get into politics directly. That no one can criticize Israel without it being seen as "antisemitism" is proof of how successful this is. Judaism is not Israel, and Israel is not Judaism.
I love it when you fucksticks puke out every anti-Jewish conspiracy in the book and then try to peddle that there’s some huge difference between Jewish people the only Jewish country in the world, which holds half of the world’s 15 million total Jews, in order to get yourself off the hook.
Stop conflating the actions of the Netanyahu government, which refuses to investigate 10/7 or hold early elections because he knows he'll lose in a landslide, with "Jews." It would be anti-Semitic in any other context, and I'm not convinced it isn't in this one, too.
The OP is not a Nazi. Attacking him as such is a sick disservice to the millions of Jewish Europeans slaughtered by the Nazis’ industralized extermination campaign.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Oh, brother. Asserting that every Jew is somehow linked to, and partially responsible for, every atrocity the state of Israel commits *is blatant antisemitism*.
Every member of Jewish Voice for Peace knows this, how do you not?
Not sure which alternate universe your fevered Jew hating brain inhabits, but it sure isn’t the real one.
Better watch out, the Jew space laser wielded by the Jew lizard cabal which controls the world is specially designed to target all brain cells infected with the insidious antisemitism virus. It can even reach underground into your parents basement! Not even your treasured tinfoil hat can offer any protection.
Blocking you now, pedo incel. Go back to your treasured stash of Oct 7 torture porn and snuff films while you wait for the meager cheque from your Iranian paymasters.
Jewish bankers orchestrate all wars. Your ZOG is crumbling. Just a matter of time before your self-destruction is complete. Couldn't help but lie through your teeth and perpetually play the victim, which is why your asses were booted from 110 countries. There weren't even six million Jews in Europe during WWII. 137k at best.
So is it, or is it not, antisemitic to conflate Israel with Jews? It says it is in the IHRA definition but then Zionists like you have relied on conflating the two to create the ridiculous argument that discussing the actions of Israel constitutes a hate crime against all Jews.
In the meantime as opposed to crucifixionists Jews and Christians are living real lives dealing with islamists, luckily the Jews are in charge and the Christian population in Israel is growing after being driven out of area c after the Oslo Peace accords, but would you know anything about that you ignorant cunt?
The magic Jew triggers you forevermore and makes you spew Goi'tardery 🐖💨
It's magical how good it makes me feel to see you people get so frothy and stupid in your derangements, it's schadenfreude, such irrationality and pronouncements of obvious nonsense all day every day because you built a skatepark between your ears for the Jews to grind away rent free, the fifth happiest nation of Israel dwells in so many goitards heads, 5785 is a great time to be alive for this Jew with attitude who was put here to trigger goitards and reveling and excelling in my role at exposing Goi'tardery all day everyday forevermore, I'm getting paid by the smiles in my realization that Jews really are deemed for success...
I'm successfully triggering, vanquishing and emerging victorious across multiple goitard battlefronts, still waiting on your failed messiah?
Perhaps if it's not the season for fig trees you should go beat on your fig trees for not being in fruit in the season when they're not supposed to be in fruit as Jesus taught 😆
The real calendar year is 5785, your priests are celibate unless they're not and butt buggering boys and Jews trigger you, 🤗😉😂
It’s actually quite simple to ascertain in this particular conflict which side represents the good guys. Ask yourself one question: what would happen should each of the adversaries somehow lose all their military capabilities? If Iran and their proxies laid down their weapons, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel.
The inability of so many to distinguish between aggressors and defenders is one of the great moral failings of our age.
Anyone unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians, versus the unwanted deaths of civilians as collateral damage while trying to eliminate terrorists who are hiding behind them, is utterly morally bankrupt and has a serious problem with Jews.
So, I mean no offense, but this, on my read, is at best a pretty naive take, but also maybe just irrationality or even obfuscation on your part. I could be wrong (tell me if I am) but let me explain why that's my read.
Well first, it is kind of hard to boil any complex system (say, a nation state or belligerents in an armed conflict) boil down to "good guys" and "bad guys" like we might have in fiction. For instance, the United States invasion of Iraq. On one side, you have the US, where we have democracy and the Nathans Famous Hot Dog Eating contest on 4th of July, and on the other side Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people? Who are the good guys? Well, what if the US invades on false pretenses, starting a conflict that kills anywhere from 100,000 to 1.1 million Iraqis (depending on who is counting), increasing instability in the region, leading to the birth of ISIS, which then proceeds to conduct international terrorist attacks across the world. If you're a modern resident of Baghdad today, you may well feel ambivalent about both Saddam and the US.
Second, this framing has the disadvantage in that it puts you in a pinch when the alleged "good guys" do bad things. Let's put aside the many civilian deaths in Gaza and look at a place where we hopefully agree: Russia's War on Ukraine. Ukraine is defending sovereign territory, Russia is also engaged in Genocide in captured regions systematically killing or displacing residents, kidnapping children, etc. But a more useful frame for this is that we support Ukraine because their a democracy, or geopolitically, or strategically, or we oppose territorial expansion by conquest as a principle in a post-World War II era, or we opposed unprovoked wars of aggression, or we think it's a bad idea to let Putin try to rebuild Peter the Great's empire, or any number of reasons other than "Ukraine are the good guys." Because if your support is only predicated on them being "the good guys" then what do you do when you have regiments in the Ukraine special forces with Nazi iconography, or when Ukranian units execute or torture POWs?
Third, this framing creates a false dichotomy. As we know, few things in life are really a binary choice between A or B. Usually, when someone says, "You must agree, either A or B," they're trying to force a false choice as a rhetorical technique, and they are typically biasing the dichotomy between their preferred solution and an obviously inferior or incorrect second solution. This is a logical fallacy, to argue a false binary is irrational. There's more than one possibility in many cases, but as we just discussed, in an armed conflict you can very easily have two sides doing bad things.
Fourth, adopting this "good guys" versus "bad guys" framing opens us up to very simple manipulation from bad actors making emotional appeals or polemics. Let's return to the example of Ukraine. The pro-Russia apologists are doing exactly this. "See, look, this one Azov unit had some Nazi patches, so Ukraine is also bad." It's easier for someone to get us onside with a bad faith polemic or diatribe if we're using a naive framing like good versus bad, instead of something grounded in principle like, "Actually, anyone who bombs a hospital or school or incinerates children is bad."
So, 1-4, that's my read. The framing of good guys versus bad guys is bringing nothing to the table in terms of improving the discussion or strengthening anyone's position, and in fact it's creating a vulnerability where someone using that frame might be more easily manipulated by someone who just needs to make the case that the "good guys" do "bad things." For example, I am about to directly show this in a few paragraphs.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that *you* specifically are attempting to obfuscate, but maybe you've been led to your position by obfuscation, if you're framing of the issue is naively based on who you have been told to consider the good guys, and you should consider to be the bad guys. Good versus bad is an evocative, emotional framing that propagandists will use in polemics to keep folks on side. You'd not be the only one taken in.
>>> "Ask yourself one question: what would happen should each of the adversaries somehow lose all their military capabilities?"
This is the test you've offered for who are good guys and who are bad guys. Let's for a moment, just for the sake of argument, accept your framing. I'll agree just for purposes of our discussion, "It's important to decide who are the good guys and who are the bad guys." And I'll agree for the sake of argument that there can even be a dichotomy: indeed, one side is good, one side is bad, no gray areas, no everyone is bad, etc.
I still must ask you: why is this the "one" question we should ask as a test?
I ask honestly. Could we not make another test. For example: "Ask yourself one question: which side has killed more children?" Is that not also a reasonable test of who is good and who is bad, assuming that we must accept this framing of sides in a conflict are either 100% good or 100% bad?
On October 7th, 1,195 Israelis were killed, including 736 civilians of those, 36 children. That seems like they are the bad guys! But what's this, since October 7th, Israel's attack on Gaza has killed an estimated 58,313 Palestinians, of those an unknown number of combatants and civilians though estimates from independent scholars are 80% are civilians or 46,651 civilians, an estimated 31-44% of those are children or at least 14,461. Israel has killed 40,169.44% more children in the conflict.
So, does this make Israel the bad guys using your framing of "zero nuance, black and white, good versus bad," but my proposed alternative question? Why would we use "one" question (yours) over any other "one" question (mine, or anyone else's)?
Maybe identifying the "good guys" from the "bad guys," even if we agreed that was a worthwhile framing of the issue, requires us to ask and answer more than "one" question, eh? Or maybe it's a useless framing, because the "good guys" (Israel) can be the "good guys" (who we're supporting for any reason) and still do bad things (Genocide).
Maybe if Israel does want to really be "good" guys, they should stop doing the Genocide, eh? Usually "good" guys in history are the ones not doing the Genocide, regardless of the pretext or rationale they might have for maybe starting one.
>>> "Anyone unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians, versus the unwanted deaths of civilians as collateral damage while trying to eliminate terrorists who are hiding behind them, is utterly morally bankrupt and has a serious problem with Jews."
I mean given that scholars estimate that 80% of the casualties in Gaza are civilians, are you the one who is, "unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians," re: the IDF killing mostly civilians in Israel? Does that mean that you are utterly morally bankrupt, and you have a serious problem with Jews? That was of course a sort of cheeky questions, right? Because neither you nor I have a "serious problem with Jews," I assume. I don't know your heart, but that's my read based on your passionate defense of Israel here. But your reply was also quite sassy, because you seem to be implying that the only reason someone might criticize how Israel is prosecuting the war is because they have "a serious problem with Jews." Which is not exactly a good faith attempt to consider the conterfactual, now is it?
Anyway, the point is, I and increasingly many others, perhaps a majority of voters in the next election in the United States, can think the October 7 attack was heinous, criminal, terrorist, inhumane. We can think it needs a response. We can think Hamas should be destroyed, removed from power in Gaza. ***AND*** We can oppose the current course of Genocide by Israel in Gaza without "having a serious problem with Jews."
Stop babbling. Who survives if the Arabs/iranians put down their weapons?
Thats it. That’s all you have to know. Stop obfuscating. I’m sure you’re a college sophomore and think you’re impressive. The rest of us aren’t narcissistic college sophomores. We have way more experience and knowledge.
>>> "I’m sure you’re a college sophomore and think you’re impressive. The rest of us aren’t narcissistic college sophomores. We have way more experience and knowledge.
First, nope, not right on any charges there. Second, why is it that you think the merit of an idea is tied to someone's identity? Good ideas and correct arguments come from everywhere. People are pretty amazing in that way.
The fact that human beings are all equal is part of why Israel's war of genocide that's blowing up a bunch of kids is super heinous. If we accept that human beings are all worthwhile, regardless of their race or religion, then there isn't a way to justify the wonton slaughter in Gaza, or the use of starvation as a tool of war.
>>> "Stop babbling. "
I had already responded, asked and answered, because I did answer this already. If you don't want to read what I wrote, don't. But don't tell me I didn't answer the question if you didn't read what I wrote. How would you know?
>>> "Who survives if the Arabs/Iranians put down their weapons?"
I mean, Israel's defense doctrine has always emphasized anticipatory attacks and pre-emptive strikes. So, I'm curious why you think Israel would stop attacking neighboring countries under this hypothetical. And what of the residents of the West Bank who face violence and displacement at the hands of Israeli settlers, even when they do not have weapons?
Israel continues a territorially expansive policy in the region. They aren't going to stop taking over other people's land anytime soon. When they (rarely) give land back (like the Sinai, Gaza), the most extreme and violent expansionist elements in Israeli public policy pitch a fit. Smotrich in the current Defense Ministry was arrested for plotting to blow up Ayalon Highway with 700 liters of gasoline during the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza. But if you take people's land, they will not be happy with you and may fight you to try to keep control of it, you surely must realize.
What does "put down their weapons" mean? Are you suggesting these countries have no weapons? Is that a tolerable set of circumstances for any country, to not have any means of defense?
Finally, why do you think you know the future. Do you know who survives? How? You don't.
But as I originally said, this is a pointless question, not a very good argument. It may be simply rhetorically stunted, or genuinely dishonest, but this question sounds like a good argument to someone like you and our friend Liora who agrees with dozens of unstated assumptions you are making beyond your words as written.
I lean towards dishonest. It strawmans those who criticize Israel's genocide, as if we are saying that Israel should disarm entirely or not defend itself. I did not say that. This hypothetical in which one side disarms, or the other is unattached from reality, but in a way that you can argue a strawman instead of my actual words. Israel should defend itself. Neighboring countries should defend themselves. Anyone doing a genocide should stop, because genocide is wrong.
If only time worked that way! I'd ask for my time back as well.
>>> "read this and get schooled"
I generally enjoy reading, and find value in education, so I'm happy to do so. I do note as I read that many of the folks who continue to deny that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza seem resolutely opposed to reading
What am I reading?
Well first, I had to figure out who your boy Barry Shaw is.
His biography on substack reads: "Senior Associate, Israel Institute for Strategic Studies. Author of books including Israel Reclaiming the Narrative. Fighting Hamas, BDS, and Anti-Semitism. BDS for Idiots. 1917 From Palestine to the Land of Israel. A Tale of Love and Destiny. " As you may imagine, I'm initially skeptical at this point. I also generally become a little skeptical when someone throws an acronym at me without defining it, i.e., what is BDS? I also have some skepticism I'm about to be schooled from someone who engages in polemics from first jump in his biography no less.
I find that a lot of pro-Israeli genocide folks who do genocide apologia seem to struggle with media literacy. This could be a good guide for you, Alan: https://fair.org/take-action-now/media-activism-kit/how-to-detect-bias-in-news-media/. It has nothing to do with the genocide, rather it will help you evaluate sources in the future. Stuff like the loaded language or stated bias from the man's biography are already telling me that I am about to read a non-objective, subjective work. Which is fine, generally the facts of the case don't support most genocide apologia -- the exception being, somewhere in these comments we did get the rare person who said that they want to do genocide and their only criticism of the Israeli government is that they aren't genociding fast enough.
But do I know Mr. Shaw yet? I went digging deeper. This is Shaw's biography as an author on Amazon: "Israel's hateful enemies grab the headlines, accusing my country of every conceivable wrong-doing. Everything, including terror and war, is justified. When Palestinian terror struck my hometown of Netanya on the Mediterranean coast of Israel it affected my understanding of what is really at play. This, and my knowledge of the root causes of anti-Semitism. It has nothing to do with the peace, or a Two-State Solution. It had everything to do with an obsessive campaign to eliminate the only liberal democracy in the Middle East by violence, propaganda, intimidation and persuasion. I have taken on the mantle of delivering truth and light where lies and darkness seems to control academia and the public space. My battle is to win over hearts and minds by offering badly needed information. I have an online presence in which I deliver news, videos, articles and strategic affairs bulletins. I also write books delivered in a way that is both informative and entertaining. 'ISRAEL - RECLAIMING THE NARRATIVE' counters the fraudulent lies that sway public opinion against Israel. The response I get from readers that that they didn't know the information I expose in this book, information that helps reclaim the moral high ground where Israel truly belongs. 'FIGHTING HAMAS, BDS, AND ANTI-SEMITISM' is my deeply researched journey into the Jew hatred that is an integral part of pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, campaigns. This book was a harbinger to the international recognized IHRA definition of Anti-Semitism in that it highlighted a hybrid form of hate that smothers both the individual Jew and Israel, the collective Jew, in its obsession. 'BDS for IDIOTS,' a seriously funny humiliation of BDS campaigners who never sleep in their fevered and ineffective hatred of Israel. This much needed guidebook offers pro-Israel students an action plan and details that defeat ill informed anti-Israel activists. '1917. FROM PALESTINE TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL' illustrates the extraordinary early struggles of Jewish and Christian Zionists who paved the way for the restoration of the Land of Israel. This book takes you on a journey back a century to a Middle East at war in which you meet the extraordinary and courageous Jewish and Chritain heroes that paved the way to the Land of Israel. You become a witness to the back story that changed the Middle East map and history. 'A TALE OF LOVE AND DESTINY.' A passionate affair. The loss of a lover. A witness to a genocide. The only woman to lead a major spy ring in wartime, under the noses of the enemy. A woman that became a folk heroine to her people. For love of country. A saga of true events a century ago. Barry Shaw is the Senior Associate for Public Diplomacy at the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies."
Great, so we can see this individuals biases laid out even more plainly. Again, my ears perk up right away to the sensationalized and unobjective language he uses to describe even himself, and he also states his biases plainly. This is all important context as I dig into the article you linked.
What's Shaw writing about then? "PALESTINIAN ETHNIC CLEANSING OF CHRISTIANS IN THE HOLY LAND." Okay. Unrelated to the topic, but my new substack friend Alan says I should read this, so I will indulge the non-sequitur!
Having read it, Shaw does not at all deny that Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza, nor does he defend it.
I don't feel I have learned very much Alan. What did you want me to take from this?
If you are arguing, "Genocide is bad!" I agree. If you are arguing, "There shouldn't be any genocide anywhere by anyone!" I agree. If you are arguing, "Anyone of any religious or ethnic persuasion should be able to live free and equal lives in the land they want to call home," I agree!
But if you're just engaging in what-about-ism, saying, "ah, well, they did a genocide!," then you're hiding and running away from trying to explain or defend the current Genocide Israel is doing in Gaza. My position is that Israel should not do Genocide, and that Genocide is never justified. That doesn't change because Hamas or the PLA are also bad guys.
The whole point of my original reply, i.e., "all that gibberish," to our friend Liora is that this "good guys" versus "bad guys" framing is hopelessly naive. Sometimes there are only bad guys. When the US army tortured detainees at Abu Ghraib that isn't a case of "good guys" verus "bad guys," where the "good guys" are justified to do stuff we normally expect only "bad guys" to do because the "bad guys" were so "bad." Everyone involved in Abu Ghraib was a bad guy. So too with Israel fighting Hamas in Gaza.
>>> "instead of being a bloviating blowhard troll"
Jokes on you! I read it, and still managed to bloviate! Now that we are friends Alan, you shall see that I can chew gum and walk!
For fuck sake who's got time to read your crucifixionist goitardery babbling Brook of jibber jabber
You're an infidel acting as an Islamic deflectionist 💨🐖🕳️
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
>>> "For fuck sake who's got time to read your crucifixionist goitardery babbling Brook of jibber jabber "
Apparently very few of you who are engaged in genocide apologia. The feeling you are experiencing is called "cognitive dissonance," Alan. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
You have my sympathies. It can be quite uncomfortable to hold a pet belief, i.e., "Israel is the good guys," while trying to reconcile that with contradicting sets of facts like, "Israel is conducting a Genocide in Gaza."
>>> "You're an infidel acting as an Islamic deflectionist 💨🐖🕳️"
I kind of am an infidel. Personally, I do not subscribe to any religion.
Your choice of the word is "deflectinist" is interesting. Alan, you earlier shared Barry Shaw's article in which Shaw engaged in deflection by ignoring the genocide in gaza to talk about other topics. Shaw is a deflectionist. Meanwhile, I engage with you directly, in good faith.
>>> "Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission."
Alan, my friend, I already explained to Liora that we should avoid setting up these false dichotomies. You should perk your ears whenever anyone offers you any sort of "A" or "B" choice. There really are very few true cases in life with binary outcomes. Usually when someone tries to reduce a complex system or nuanced argument to a binary, they're engaged in a rhetorical sleight of hand to try to simplify an issue into obscurity. It's normally bad faith, it should be avoided.
I have no idea what this means: "which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope."
Who is "our?" Don't include me in "supressionist theology," please. I have no theology.
>>> "For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice. And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout 'Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!' - well, you're singing our song. 'That's our Story and we're sticking to it.'"
Only song I am singing is: "Israel should stop doing a genocide. Generally, genocide is always wrong. All human beings are equal, regardless of faith, culture, or ethnicity."
As a Muslim, I want you to be able to do your thing, and for the Jewish people to do their thing, and for the Christians to do their thing. If you have mutually conflicting goals, figure it out amongst yourselves, but when one of you starts trying to genocide one or the other of you, I will tell you that, "Hey, genocide is not the answer folks."
The bad guys are the ones with a Master Race theory who are dropping bombs on üntermenchen (goy in Yiddish) born into concentration camps. A Shoah Re-enactment Theme Park for Eastern Europeans has no "Right to Exist" in Asia.
Speaking of helping out Christians when fellow Christians won't help out fellow Christians they are turning to jews, like the druse in Syria are turning to Jews and the nation of Israel for safety, it brings me pleasure to see you guys go full goytard and expose your derangements all the while with style the Jews are helping the Christians in Israel who are being persecuted by the Muslims.
Do you have any dipping sauce for your cannibal Christ on the wrong sabbath? Seems totally like a turning of the other cheek to not market those more, amongst the 30,000 different churches no room for flavorings of your theophagy?
Jesus Brew could join the wine too, deliver a whole range of Vatican booze to take advantage of the predilection amongst your people, Sunday all you can eat theophagy special
A crucifixionist deflecting away from goy atrocities yet again?
You even learned Yiddish to pursue your obsession and derangement.😆😜😝🤪
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
After the nonexistential 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by a grand total of 20 individuals, the US killed hundreds of thousands and brought down two countries. One can only imagine the response to a widespread invasion by a neighboring country slaughtering 40,000 Americans and kidnapping thousands into terror dungeons - in a single day.
Anyone who dares to include the documented 25,000 eliminated terrorist savages in any Hamas -reported casualty count - and who ignores the unprecedentedly low civilian:combatant casualty ratio due wholly to Israel’s efforts at minimizing civilian casualties even as Hamas brags of maximizing them - needs to take a long hard look at his moral compass.
You sound uncomfortable. Perhaps your diaper needs changing.
Tablet Magazine: How the Media Manufactured a ‘Genocide’:
“If Israel’s war in Gaza qualifies as genocide, it would constitute a striking historical outlier: perhaps the first such case of genocide triggered by a mass terrorist attack involving the slaughter of civilians and the taking of hostages; the first in which the genocider permitted food, fuel, and humanitarian aid to flow into the territory of its purported victims; and potentially the only instance in which the perpetrators lacked any prior plan or ideological commitment to extermination. It may also be unique in that the targeted group’s combatants have deliberately embedded themselves in civilian infrastructure and sought to increase civilian casualties for strategic and propaganda purposes. And it could be the only genocide that might plausibly be halted on the spot—not by the genocider, but by the group claiming victimhood. Specifically, were Hamas to release the hostages and lay down its arms, Israel’s military campaign—having achieved its core objectives—would likely cease.
Yet doing so would mean relinquishing a central propaganda asset: the ability to frame Israel’s actions as a genocidal assault on a defenseless population, a framing that is in turn made possible only by concept creep. Hamas’ casualty figures suggest that far more than half of the dead in Gaza are either Hamas fighters or young men of military age. A ratio of combatants to civilians anywhere close to 1:1 is unrivaled in the history of urban warfare. Does this mean that all past instances of urban warfare—such as U.S. operations in Iraq’s Mosul and Fallujah, let alone Allied bombing attacks on German cities or the Battle of Manila against the Japanese—must retroactively be treated as genocides? Surely, the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki must be considered a genocide, even though historians commonly estimate that the subsequent Imperial Japanese Armed Forces surrender saved at least 2 million lives.
The answers are highly troubling either way. If the new math of genocide is correct, then we have a press teaching a large public that warfare of any kind is always a hideous crime, even when waged in response to murderous attacks by genocidal maniacs and Nazis on defenseless civilians. No means there is to be one rule for Jews and a different rule for everyone else.”
Hmm…. If you are unable to use that term to describe the vicious barbarians who committed Oct 7, perhaps you need to take a good hard look in the mirror and reconsider your own moral compass.
If you’ve ever wondered how millions of seemingly ordinary people could have enabled centuries of vicious anti Jewish persecution, through the first pre Israel Holocaust and culminating in the Oct 7 massacres and beyond, now you know.
What is that have to do with the tons of photographic and video evidence of civilian casualties in Gaza and the desire to perform an unbiased and thorough investigation to ensure these casualties were only from defensive military manuevers?
Logically and morally it would make sense to me if I led the Israeli government and military to say United Nations and American allies in Europe who condemn my actions...come to my nation and I will definitively prove to you we are fighting a 100% defensive war. All the aggression in this war has been against us.
The fact that Israel favors Trump whose less willing to answer to the demands of a review of the Israeli military as long as he gets real estate in Gaza for his company makes Israel look terrible. It begs the question if this war is for protection or for personal gains of those who seek to profit from the war.
Which is a motivation that has caused dozens of other wars across hundreds of years.
By viscous barbarians you mean the IDF right? Last time I checked Hamas didn't have hellfire missiles or tanks, but that's what many of your fellow Jews died to on that day. IDF killing their own in a false flag to excuse more killing. You all are the spawn of satan and will be dealt with accordingly. Your time is quickly running out.
The illegal war the US committed against the wrong people with the pretense of a terror attack the US ignored all evidence was coming?
Maybe if the attackers who did 9/11 were Native Americans you could make that comparison, and most of the people in the tower were US soldiers. And the Twin Towers were on the edge of the camps we put the Native Americans in during the trail of tears.
I'm actually not interested in engaging with a crazy person online. Just pointing out that this claim was particularly moronic. Do with that information what you will...
Yes the US was accused of genocide and it was proven George W Bush's administration broke the Geneva Conventions.
Yes Islamic Americans were beaten in the streets and some of them killed even though they had zero connection to Al Queda or the Taliban.
And again no one could stop George W Bush from committing war crimes. No one has the authority to stop Israel but to act as if they cannot question their actions and that if they do they think 10/7 wasn't a big problem is intellectually dishonest. It's just not true.
Erm. You can also look at the numbers of people who have been killed on each side. If Israel had laid down its weapons, there would be very many more people alive today than if the Palestinians did.
There would be more hospitals standing, more schools. And I have yet to see any evidence of the Hamas base that was under the Catholic Church that got bombed the other day.
If Israel stopped attacking its neighbours then its neighbours would stop defending themselves against Israel.
I admit to knowing Jewish bankers orchestrate wars and that Jews should not be trusted. Maj. Gen Smedley Butler and Jesus taught me those things. Although you think Jesus is rotting in excrement in hell because your babylonian talmud tells you that, I think you're a fucktard for believing such things, not to mention a demon. So fuck off with your demonic Jew saturn / satan worshipping ass
Your dad should have come in your mom's ass instead pulling out and jamming it in her money hole
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
But he didn't and his empire is in ash, Germany is full of Turks and foreigners because the god of Israel paid back Germany with a population of 7th century barbarians doing Christmas markets and generally rubbing goy noses in the filth that they created, German sheiss porn I've been told is reflective of the general defective deranged nature of the German.
Shitler was banging his niece for nearly a decade, 10 years younger, he eventually strangled her to death and it was known within Germany but they still voted him in, feed your kids to krampus as you imbibe eggs on Ishtar or whatever qoitard shit you do, can't help but notice how triggered you were that you replied four times for my one post, oy my goislave it makes me so happy to trigger you 4x, do you dream of being a catamite boy from Roman days? Maybe a boy lover of a Grecian warrior... I can smell the smegma through the internet from your uncircumcised filth and your pork parasites goitard 🎯
I'm so productive with you with four replies for one, can you beat your last spaz out quadraganza goitard goislave?
What in the world was Jesus doing in the garden with a naked boy at 4:00 a.m.?
Christian persecution is by Christians, two tier policing in England and throughout eurabia. Muslims do it in any interaction whether they are majority rule or minority.
The only persecution by Jews of Christians is self-inflicted between your ears in your self-constructed skatepark for the 80 generations of righteous Jews who emanate from the holy land of Israel given to the eternal nation of Israel in perpetuity by the one true God, to grind away all day everyday forevermore rent free! 😉😭🤣😂🙄🤪😝🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
“there is a massive and very successful public relations effort on part of the Israeli government to keep the American public on side, to keep the missile and bombs flowing”
What are you even referring to here, aside from a few speeches by Netanyahu?
I’ll steel man for you and say that AIPAC is an effective lobbying organization, though with terrible PR. But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment (at least pre Oct 7), it doesn’t (and has no mechanism to) cause it.
Do you agree with the simple fact that if Iran and its proxies put down their weapons there would be no more war, and if Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Because it really is that simple. All the rest is commentary.
As to the unoriginal “genocide” blood libel (actually decades old, invented by the Soviets):
Pat Johnson, substance:
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.
Israel is protected by an illegal ,stolen nuclear triad defence, and a 'Damson Option' policy to NUKE every major world capital if it's existence is threatened, and you would have US pretend that Israel, which is currently bombing/invading six of it's neighbours, is the threat to the region?
The IDF was created by merging the terror cells of the Stern Gang, Irgun, Lehi, Haganah, etc., and it hasn't changed since that day. Israelis support this by electing no less than three such terrorists to the office of Prime Minister, and a subsequent procession of war criminals.
We get it, pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for everything wrong in their miserable lives just can’t stand it when Jews dare to defend themselves. They prefer their Jews helpless and stateless, cowering under the boot - or even better naked under the knife and ripe for rape and slaughter, just like their Oct 7 fantasies.
From the perspective of the anti-Semite, Jews have succeeded because of a Jewish conspiracy to consolidate power for themselves. The anti-Semite cannot deal with the truth of his inadequacies and failures so he creates fairy tales and boogy-men to blame for his disappointments and life situation. Unfortunately for the anti-Semite it’s never worked and it never will because lying to oneself to avoid confronting character defects prevents growth as a human being and stifles movement in other directions. The anti-Semite is his own worst enemy, much worse than the fiction of some Jewish plan to keep him down. Ironically, anti-semitism is created by the anti-Semite to explain why he cannot succeed while others in life can, yet it is the delusion he created that traps him like a rat in a cage while the rest of the world lives freely around him.
The percentage of Bolshevik leadership that was Jewish varied over the years. In 1922, 5.2% of the Bolshevik Party was Jewish, according to the YIVO encyclopedia.
However, in the early years of Bolshevism, the Jewish representation in the party was higher, with some sources claiming that at least 85% of the original Bolshevik party and Cheka secret police members were Jewish.
In the early years of the Bolshevik Party, Jews were a significant component, but their representation declined after the purges. By the 1930s, Jewish membership in the party had plummeted, and by 1990, only 1.6% of the party was Jewish.
It is also noted that while Jews were a significant element within Bolshevism in the early years, they were not the majority. The majority of the Bolshevik leadership were Russians, with Jews being a smaller but notable part of the leadership.
In 1924, by the end of the Russian Civil War, 72% of Bolsheviks were Russians, 5.88% were Ukrainian, and 5.2% were Jewish.
It is important to note that the percentage of Jewish leadership in the Bolshevik Party was not consistent throughout its history and changed over time due to various factors, including purges and changes in the party's composition.🙄
Goi'tardery means waking up thinking about Jews and choosing to go about your day commenting and lying about Jews and going to sleep and dreaming about jews, your cursed ramblings are with you until the day you die, not a single coherent thought will emerge from your lips forever more due to your cursed nature...
You're a spectacle of Goi'tardery , it brings this due schadenfreude to watch you twist in the wind on your own lives choking on your own bullshit being called out constantly but due to the curse you need to reply four times for every one reply like last night, get triggered smegma boy, Jews are thriving in the year 5785 and between your ears in the skatepark of your own construction grinding away all day every day rent free forevermore 😱🤷🏿♀️😝💨🐖🕳️
I mean, asked and answered Liora. Oh, I see, you say you couldn't read it. You should keep up with your learning! I have found that learning to read has paid rewarding dividends to me, though, I think in today's age there are many accommodations in society for those who cannot or choose not to read, so fear not.
https://www.ushmm.org/ from the Holocaust Museum: "The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. "
Raphael Lemkin defined genocide as the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group by means of destroying political and social institutions, culture, language, national feelings, religion, and its economic existence.
I am saying that this is what Israel is doing in Gaza, right now. They are doing those things. Destroying political and social institutions? Check. Destroying culture? Check. Destroying national feelings? Check. Destroying economic existence? Check. Is it targeted to a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group? Check, check, check.
Since you don't seem to know what Blood Libel is: "Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation) is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals."
Just to clarify, I am not saying that Jewish people are engaged in any sort of secret religious blood ritual. I don't know why you think that, but you did explain that you struggle to read earlier, so I understand and sympathize with you.
War is, indeed, hell. And much of what goes on during war is horrible, which is why preventing wars in the first place is so important. When Hamas broke the ceasefire to massacre, rape, and mutilate 1,200 people on October 7th — and kidnap some 250 others — they initiated a war.
Every day that passes without Hamas’ surrender — every day that they continue fighting and holding innocent hostages — Hamas is continuing it. The death of civilians in any conflict is a tragedy, and we must do whatever feasible to minimize it. We can be saddened, horrified, appalled, or angry about it. But it happens in every war, especially in urban warfare. Pretending this equals genocide (and just in this one instance) is grotesque, incredibly dishonest and, yes, antisemitic.”
And you could have added that Hamas intentionally ensures civilian casualties by using Gazans as human shields, embedding fighters among civilians, and hiding below or within schools and hospitals. To tar Israel with the despicable tactics and goals of Hamas requires a staggering level of willful blindness.
Just look at the windbag below, every sentence is a specious argument, lie by omission or outright blood libel. We shouldn’t be surprised - millions of people are attracted to such classics as the Protocols, Mein Kampf and David Irving’s tome, not to mention Hassan Piker and Tucker Carlson. Social media only allows this filth to be spread much more easily.
(1) Urban Warfare is what the US did in Mosul and Fellujah. The 2004 battle in Fellujah lasted 6 weeks. The US lost a lot of soldiers because they used actual urban warfare tactics to minimize civilian casualties, which meant US soldiers died, because they didn't just flatten Fellujah with giant bombs. The US also didn't starve the civilian population of Fellujah. What Israel is doing is not urban warfare. Israel is bombing and shooting civilians, preventing the flow of aid, demolishing homes, displacing people, and is actively in talks with other countries like the US to fully displace people to make Trump's proposed seaside beach resort. After more than a year, Israel has not defeated Hamas, because that isn't Israel's goal: it's to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip by forcibly removing any Palestinians who are still alive by the time they are done with Gaza. They're doing it at exactly the pace they think they can maintain without the US pulling support.
(3) We agree we should "do everything feasible to minimize it." Is it your position that Israel is doing so? To me, seems like if Israel could use fewer airstrikes and more soldiers on the ground, you probably would cause less apartment buildings to explode. Or better yet, negotiate an end to the conflict since over a year of bombing has not dislodged Hamas.
General John Spencer from West point can school you on not being so stupid, the US buried 3,000 Iraqis with bulldozers as far as ethical warfare goes not a real reference point, no one can compare to the Israelis for military accomplishments and humanitarian warfare, who else feeds The barbarians who attacked them during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most peace loving Arab indulgent Israelis in all of Israel, you truly are a gaseous windbag full of bloviating Islamic deflection
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Since you’re a fan of long explanations, please educate yourself.
Rabbi James Kennard:
On a Spring day in March 1144, the body of a twelve-year old boy named William was found in the forest near the English town of Norwich. Although no-one was convicted of the murder, William’s uncle, a priest, had no doubt as to who was to blame; it was the town’s Jews who had killed the boy as part of a bizarre religious ritual. The Jews were protected from the mob by the local sheriff, but the entire local community was wiped out fifty years later. William became a saint and developed his own cult, and Norwich achieved notoriety as the home of the first blood libel of the mediaeval world.
More followed. “Saint Harold of Gloucester”; “Saint Robert of Bury”; “Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln” and many others punctuated the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. Each blood libel brought pogroms, executions and expulsion in its wake. After the Jews were exiled from England, the madness spread to Europe and thence to Asia and the Arab lands.
This tragic story tells us that a lie, repeated a sufficient number of times and echoed by enough sources, can be accepted as valid. Even though Jewish law mandates the avoidance of even a trace of blood – to such an extent that every egg must be checked for any specks before it is eaten – the notion that Jews killed children in order to drink their blood took hold of populations across the world.
This was not just a result of the primitive superstition and religious fervour of the Middle Ages; as late as 1840 the Jews of Damascus were accused of ritual murder– allegations that were re-visited in a book by the Syrian Defence Minister in 1986. In the twentieth century, blood libels occurred in Iran, Ukraine and even in New York. In 2002 a government-backed Saudi newspaper ran a series of articles confirming the "veracity" of instances of ritual murder by Jews.
Ideological convictions played a significant part in spreading and perpetuating the myths. The Christian Church, whose philosophical foundation partially rested on the belief that Jews were Christ-killers, had an interest in extrapolating this belief to make Jews baby-killers as well. Political motives were also involved. Those who owed money to Jewish moneylenders were keen to find an excuse to justify the Jews’ banishment and the confiscation of their property. Thus both clergy and politicians conspired to create a “narrative” in which “the Jews are guilty” became a natural and even automatic assumption on the discovery of any crime.
And myth generates myth. Once it is “established” that William of Norwich was a victim of the Jews, it seemed logical to assume the same of Harold and Robert. The story of little Hugh was spread by poem and ballad and even earned a mention in The Canterbury Tales. Word of mouth, the social media of the day, served to provide instant judgements against which accurate investigation provided no match.
Today we pride ourselves on our sophistication and intellectual rigour. We assume that no mass delusion could take place in the modern age. We are wrong.
Now, as then, critical masses of intelligent people believe in distorted narratives and unashamed lies spread, not be minstrels or chronicling monks, but by twitter and instagram, where millions share stories and instant judgements without any scrutiny or accountability.
Now, as then, Jews are the “other”, “untrustworthy”, “in league with a foreign power” and “the cause of their own misfortune”. Zionism, the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, is “demonic” and the “root of literally all the evil in the world”. Some of our attackers are careful to distinguish between Jews and Zionists, yet they regard all Jews as guilty of this “sin” until proven innocent.
Now, as then, Jews are accused of murder, yet this time it is on the scale of “genocide” - a charge which conveniently absolves the world for committing or allowing the Holocaust.
Now as then the generators and transmitters of these lies regard themselves as intelligent, rational and unprejudiced. They “do not have an antisemitic bone” in their bodies. They care only for the protection of little children (or at least those whose tragic deaths can be blamed on Jews).
This vast surge of modern-day antisemitism is found in the anti-Israel demonstrations on the streets, and especially in the sewers of social media. Some of the manifestations of the world’s oldest hatred have not yet reached the mainstream, nor the majority of the political class. But if we listen carefully to the media, we can hear these evil and barbaric notions about Jews inching closer and closer to the status of fact.
We can hear our government leaders downplay antisemitism by never even uttering the word without adding "and Islamophobia".
We can hear how the atrocities of October 7 are minimised, contextualised and denied.
We can hear how claims by the Hamas murderers are accepted without question, while statements from Israel are "unverified".
And we can hear how Israel is held to an infinitely higher standard than any other nation on earth.
Lies that are repeated often enough inevitably sow doubt and raise questions. Can so many people on twitter be wrong? Can so many journalists and commentators be biased, misreporting or distorting facts to fit their own prejudices?
The lesson of history is that they can. The evidence before us is that they are. The terrible fear is that this is just the beginning.
Liora, you're the one who admitted struggling to read. That is really okay. I think it's admirable for you to level set, admit fault, and continue to power on. I think it shows you are very dedicated to a cause you believe strongly in.
Again, because you've leveled with me about reading not being your forte, I'd like to ask you to re-read what I wrote, both initially, and in all of my responses.
I have not said anything about "Jewish" people doing Genocide.
I have said the nation state of Israel, currently lead by the rightwing Likud party and their coalition with ultra conservative and reactionary figures in the parliament, are doing a Genocide. That the policy of the country is Genocide.
The premise of my whole argument, from start to finish is Jewish people are not Israel, and Israel is not the Jewish people.
Reading the rest of what Rabbi James Kennard wrote, I find it to be unrelated to anything I have written in response to you. As you continue your journey to learn to read Liora, you will learn about something called a non sequitur: a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
Magic words are what makes the testament new but not true
Nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first and everyone knows the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact
However
Genocide means an eradication
Like when crucifixionist Europe eliminated half of the Jews
Not what the ICC or icj reframed it to be, like crucifixionists reframed what Messiah is and then accuse the Jews of not believing in their false Messiah, Goi'tardery epitomized
Looking up statistically there are more Arabs in Gaza today than when they started the war during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most peace loving Arab indulgent Israelis in all of Israel
No, I do not agree with that assertion, history does not support it. Iran has not invaded another country for three hundred years or so, Israel bombs its neighbours every few weeks. If Israel laid down its arms, all violence in the region would immediately cease.
Please, don't do me any favors, haha. I don't need your steelman. But correct me if I'm wrong, steelmanning normally means that you are supposed to take the strongest version of my argument. If you've not done that, perhaps this is a strawman instead?
>>>"AIPAC is an effective lobbying organization, though with terrible PR. But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment (at least pre Oct 7), it doesn’t (and has no mechanism to) cause it.
I mean, there's a few nuggets to tease out here, right. There's AIPAC, there's lobbying, there's PR, there's popular pro-Israel sentiment, and there is the relation between all of those things.
First, let's talk about American Israel Public Affairs Committee aka AIPAC. According to OpenSecrets, they made $51M+ in direct political donations, spent $3.3M+ on lobbying, and did direct outside spending of $37M+ to influence the 2024 elections. They were in the top 25 big donors and spenders on the campaign, of all groups. That's ~$91M spent on the 2024 Election in the United States.
Let's first clarify that what you said, that AIPAC is an, "effective lobbying organization," which we should amend that to say, "effective lobbying and political communication organization that buys ad space to influence voters in US elections." Because they do more than lobby, they give direct to campaigns, and they spend money directly on influencing the perceptions of voters.
Second, let's put this in perspective. Campaign spending in the US is absolutely wackadoodle nutso in our post Citizens United era of infinite money seeming to blanket the airwaves and digital ads around elections. Let's compare AIPAC to other notable advocacy groups, so we might assess my claim that they are "massive" and "very successful."
The political left in the United States has their bugbears and bugaboos. We could look at the National Rifle Association (NRA) which spent $868K on direct political donations (1.7% of the amount that AIPAC spent), $2M on lobbying (67% less than what AIPAC spent), and $10M on outside spending (27% of AIPAC). Koch Industries spent $49M on direct contributions (96% of AIPAC), $11M on lobbying (they spent more!) and only $89 dollars on outside spending (as in, less than $100, lol, dark money).
The political right has their adversaries. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) spent $940K on direct donations, $1.8M on lobbying, $1.1M on outside spending. Planned Parenthood spent $5M on direct donations, $1M on lobbying, and $11M on outside spending. The Soros fund spent $4.4M on direct donations, and $0 on lobbying and outside spending.
So that puts AIPAC right there in top dog poll position with the biggest hitters of either the left or the right. So let's not understate their size (i.e., "massive") and their impact, (i.e., "very successful.")
Let's put aside this bit, "But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment." I'm not as interested in chicken-and-egging AIPACs size and success with whether people support Israel, so AIPAC succeeds or whether AIPAC succeeds leading people to support Israel. Surely, these are in fact dynamic and complimentary things that can be both true. I guess I just ask, why do you think it's all one way here? Don't you think they might be winning some hearts and minds with their outside spending? If not, then why do they spend money on it? Similarly, they obviously do have a mechanism to increase support. They spend money on persuasion re: outside spending, and they work to boost pro-Israeli candidates and their arguments.
But AIPAC is not alone.
You have the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Nominally opposed to antisemitism domestically, yet suspiciously willing to give Nazi saluting Elon Musk a pass since he supports Israel, while attacking Jewish commentators who oppose the Genocide in Gaza. You have J Street. You have the Republican Jewish Coalition. You have Norpac. You have Democratic Majority for Israel. You have the Join Action Committee for Political Affairs, you have US Israel Pac, you have Pro-Israel America Pac, etc., etc., etc. There are many PACS that spend specifically on boosting Israel in US Elections. There is little point in naming them all, after all you were able to name drop one from memory, and either of us can navigate to google and just look it up online.
Similarly, I named a number of supporters of Israel in my original message: Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, Joe Biden. There are many American politicians and political commentators who make uncritical and unquestioning support for all Israeli policy, including Genocide, a specific element of their campaigning. These folks then influence perceptions in the United States; that's their job as leaders.
Finally, legacy media is largely also supportive and unquestioning of Israeli policy. One of my favorite reads is this blog post on McSweeney's called, "An Interactive Guide to Ambiguous Grammar." It is specifically dealing with police shootings of black people in the George Floyd era, but the topic in that post has broad applicability. The post is basically about the strategic use of journalists to use the passive voice to avoid assigning culpability. They take the sentence, "The swift brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." and turn it into, "Speed was involved in a jumping-related incident while a fox was brown." Take a look at any newspaper when they cover the Genocide in Gaza. How often is it Subject-Verb-Object for one side, i.e. coverage of Hamas killing several soldiers in Khan Yunis this weekend, versus mushy passive voice non-attribution when it's the IDF bombs a hospital. Here's one on CNN.com, "Children killed collecting water in Gaza, medical officials say, as ceasefire talks hit sticking points," (from July 14, 2025). Who killed them, CNN? Did they spontaneously combust? Was there something in the water? Oh, if I read beyond the headline, in the article later, "an Israeli airstrike." Cool, so alternative headline, "Israel bombs children" would have been clearer, no?
You are trying to explain public support for Israel. You said there is a massive effort by the Israeli government to keep the public on its side. All the orgs you cite are not related to the Israeli government, they are orgs funded and staffed by patriotic Americans. In addition, they don’t directly try to make Americans more pro Israel. ads they fund are usually not Israel related.
I don’t agree at all with your take on media bias here, but I’m sure I won’t convince you. Suffice it to say as someone who is very familiar with the area, I think every time they change their general standards they do so in a way that disadvantages Israel. To take one example among many, look at how statements by the IDF are typically reported relative to statements by Gaza authorities.
Patriotic Americans who have dual citizenship to Israel and only claim to be white or American when they want to shit on one of them. You're just another lying Jew. No surprise there. That's all you people are capable of. Lying and being a victim. Your entire identity depends on it
Your entire identity is of the cursed crucifixionist awaiting his failed Messiah who never returned, inherently triggered about Jews due to the curse 🤪
All day everyday they grind away rent free in the skatepark of your own construction between your ears, the fifth happiest Nation with 80 generations emanating from the land of Israel which was given to them by God, triggers you forever more, as cringey as your crusade gets it brings this to schadenfreude to know that all day long uncontrollable derangement is the result of you adopting the curse, glorious proof of the God of Israel and the eternal nation of Israel and its people. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Your god is saturn aka satan, the black cube, materialism. It's why you can't get enough sheckels.and why you love the color black and wear a tefelin. You're a descendant.of Cain and will suffer the consequences like the rest of the demon spawn you associate with. Have fun!
Ever notice how “blockaded” Gaza never seems to run out of bullets or rockets? If their masters cared, they could surely sneak other supplies in via the same channels. But they won't. Killing others and putting their own folks at risk to drum up sympathy are the priorities.
How can a crucifixionist infidel come to be a Islamic deflectionist?
most likely Jew derangement syndrome often coexisting with Israel and Netanyahu derangement syndrome.
May the skate park you've built between your ears for the Jews and Israelis, the fifth happiest nation in the world thriving in its third millennium in the year 5785 continue to be fully occupied with more Jews grinding away all day everyday forever more🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
When you call out Israel, the only Jewish State often with lies, but fail to call out any other country - it is antisemitic. The genuine genocide in Sudan, the Houthis’ grabbing Yazidi women for sexual slavery, China has a 1/2 million Muslims in concentration camps. No campus protests. No threads like yours.
You're repeating a rhetorical technique designed to try to change the topic of conversation, what-about-ism. Look it up, and ask yourself if you are doing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Relevant in the definition: "the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counteraccusation instead of a defense against the original accusation."
Maybe you are unwilling or unable to deny Israel's genocide, so you what-about your way to the rhetoric exit. Nicely done! Much easier to flee in that way then mount a argument in defense.
I'm more interested in this bit!! >>> "genuine genocide"
What is a 'genuine genocide'? I am saying Israel's actions in Gaza satisfy all relevant definitions of genocide.
Tell me you know nothing and listen to Tucker and Candy-O and Nick f the jizia guzzler
I'm counting on the skatepark that you built between your ears for the 80 generations of righteous Jews emanating from the fifth happiest Nation on earth, theholy land of Israel given to them by God forevermore to be fully populated with another 80 generations of righteous happy Jews grinding away all day every day forevermore rent free 🤪😝😜🤦🏿♀️😆😚🥱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
You're empty skull can't fathom how deranged you are about Jews the Muslims you adore and deflect for are killing wantonly and islamically in southern Syria and the Israelis are saving the drusa but unless Jews are fighting back and not turning the other cheek like a goitard would than you will be triggered forevermore all day every day with them grinding away, eat shit and die goitard🐖💨
I didn't say that, no. It may or may not be, but I was responding to Drew interchangeably referring to opposing Israeli policy (i.e., genocide in Gaza) and being antisemitic as the same thing.
Drew didn't do that. You read that into his post, and took the opportunity to write a post of your own not responding to anything he wrote. You accepted his premise that "Boravia" is "Israel" which concedes the point to Drew, and proves my own.
The Palestinians are a bunch of 70 iq cousin fuckers running a death cult that have been terrorizing isreal for decades as part of their ultimate goal of the total extermination of all Jews.
There is no peace with that. They don’t have legitimate grievances. There is no policy platform that would satisfy them.
The only thing wrong with Israeli policy is that they don’t rip the band aid off and just get rid of them all for good thus ending this stupid conflict. They are too merciful.
>>> "The only thing wrong with Israeli policy is that they don’t rip the band aid off and just get rid of them all for good thus ending this stupid conflict. They are too merciful."
Thank you for your candor. I think if Israel is going to do a genocide, they should at least do it proudly, just like this. I don't really understand folks trying to find arguments to support a genocide while arguing that genocide is not what they are doing. If you think you are right, why hide your face with a mask? Kudos to you.
Israel is trying to kill terrorists who regularly commit atrocities against their people, but those terrorists are embedded in a civilian population sympathetic to them in a dense and impoverished urban environment. Mass casualties are a natural outcome of this, but not the objective goal (if genocide were the objective goal Israel could kill everyone in the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon). If the Hamas terrorists would fight the IDF directly away from civilians all of these deaths could be avoided, but Hamas would lose such a conflict because they are backwards human trash with no modern military capabilities.
"certain acts committed with the intent to destroy..."
Most definitions of genocide involve an active intent to destroy and entire group. Absent that intent, it's not "genocide".
For instance, merchants spreading the Black Death caused mass casualties, but there was no intent, so its not genocide, even if the results are similar.
The gold standard for genocide is the Holocaust.
Because I don't think the Israeli's can ever find peace with the Palestinians I think they should commit genocide to end the problem once and for all. People will get angry but then get bored and move on. So long as its an active problem where will always be some new headline keeping it on peoples minds. But my opinion is not shared by the state of Israel, which caries on with its thankless task if being surrounded by hopeless savages.
The stated goal of the Palestinians is ACTUAL GENOCIDE. Like actually killing every single Jew in Israel. They lack the capability to carry this genocide out (being worthless trash), but they would if they could. Oct 7th is a window into what they do the second they think they can.
Considering Jews did 9/11, JFK, the USS Liberty and can't do anything but lie, cheat and steal so that they get kicked out of 110+ countries, I think the Palestinians are being pretty sensible.
But if the Israeli wiped out the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon then they'd have these potential problems.
A.) Global condemnation from dozens of countries for wiping out a civilian population. That would hurt Israeli global standing. You and others of your position are arguing against those whether academics, dilponats, military officers or journalists that Israeli's actions are a genocide.
You can say these highly trained people in their respective fields are wrong but they are contingent who have considerable influence in global politics.
Which would explain why the Israeli government values the United States so much as an ally.
B.) The United States deciding to drop Israel as an ally and no longer funding it's military or political ventures. Donald Trump dropped Vladimir Putin as an ally when many observers assumed he'd never do that. What's to say the same thing won't happen for Israel if Trump finds the backlash to the political future of his allies in the US government so strong he disavows giving money to Israel.
C.) Agitating other Arab nations who don't like Israel and creating a narrative of victimhood and characterizing Israel as a expansionist power on the same level of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
So your argument that Israel is being merciful to Palestine is ridiculous. They are being careful in their actions to maintain political and financial advantage. This war galvanizes popular sentiment that unifies disparate factions and gives the Trump Administration a huge political advantage that motivates them to not only finance Israel but popularize arguments pro war and demonize anti war arguments.
Why would the Israeli government jeopardize such a relationship with a key political ally to wipe out the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon? Especially if anyone who questions the paradox between an existential threat that's impossible to defeat to a deceitful adversary that needs trickery to inflict some damage but ultimately can be wiped out in a day loses any credibility in a Trump Administration America including American Jews.
Yes, there are a lot of drawbacks to wiping out the Gaza Strip in an afternoon. It’s not a step to take lightly. If it were at all possible to find a solution without genocide they should take it.
It all comes down to your view of the Palestinians. I have a very low view of them. I think that, genetically and culturally, they are the absolute worst. I don’t think any peace with them is possible on any timeline and involving any policy package. I think it’s just periodic Oct 7ths forever.
The worse you complain about what Israel has to do in response to periodic oct 7th, the better the arguement for just ending the problem permanently. If they are going to be condemned as monsters every single time they have to defend themselves there really isn’t any incentive not to be monsters. Be a monster for real and get it over with once at for all.
I think the policy argument could go either way. But I don’t think policy is the primary thing holding Israel back. I think their own moral self conception is. They are simply better human beings than you are. Their self conception won’t allow them to commit genocide, even if the Palestinians deserve it and it would be in Israel’s long term self interest. They are permanently chained for a moral code for which you give them no credit and reward literally the worst human beings in the entire planet in favor of them. It’s a cruel joke.
I emphatically disagree with your argument the Israeli government has moral self conception. We will have to agree to disagree on the moral character of the Israeli government. Too many people on your side have created no distinction between native Isreali's and those in the Israeli government. I obviously believe individuals Isreali's are moral but I don't believe any world government has moral self conception.
The government in my own country the United States lacks moral self conception. In a lot of wars it fought even though those wars were against monsters like Stalin or Sadam Hussein. There are many reasons that would take long essays to explain why I argue the US government lacks moral self conception.
There are individual people in the US Government with morals but there are so many others in the US government who lack any sort of morals and are wolves in sheep clothing. These individuals have sent BILLIONS to Israel and don't care how effectively the Israeli military is fighting. Or how many civilians are killed on either side.
If you simply don't care about this relationship between these two nations or the international community’s view of the this and the war that is your right but it is my right to question my country's relationship with your country. And to ask questions about Israel and condemn Hamas at the same time. If you think it's impossible to do this then again that is your right but I gave a full and complete explanation of my view and highlighted my own nations war crimes while fighting inhuman monsters to support my view.
The irony is that in the DC Comics universe the US government is guilty of worse crimes than any fictional government “based on Israel” (it's more based on Putin / Russia than Israel) in the Superman film. In the name of protecting the United States government in DC Comics has kidnapped, brainwashed, performed illegal experiments, blackmailed, extorted, bombed sovereign nations, and fired super weapons at civilians or sent clones of superheroes to kill civilians who questioned the government because they thought these civilians may secretly be working with alien invaders. When in reality they were just asking questions.
Superman for decades believes peace can be attained without civilian casualties on either side of a conflict. There's even a Superman film called Quest for Peace (though it's a terrible movie it at least accurately portrays Superman’s desire for peace).
Lex Luthor is one of the most repugnant immoral characters in fiction who has done monstrous things. Some comic book fans argue Lex isn't even worthy to be called a human yet Superman refuses to kill him.
But based on your logic Superman should kill Luthor and any employee who works for his company because Luthor publicly vowed to use all his money and resources to kill Superman. Luthor vowed as long as he lives he would never stop trying to kill Superman. Yet Superman simply placed Luthor in prison.
I am not saying Hamas should get away with the horrific actions committed on 10/7 and other days in the past BUT that conflict has very little to do with the Superman film.
This movie reviewer who created these debates is a liar. Superman simply argued against the killing of children for opposing Barvoria and doesn't pick a side in the fictional war that takes place in the movie. Barvoria doesn't manipulate the US government. Lex Luthor manipulates both the US and Barvoria for his own selfish gain and to kill Superman. And again this is more aligned with US and Russia (until recently) having a positive relationship.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Low IQ thinking. The US military knocked out all countries in the middle east opposed to the Jewish and Rothschild central banking mafia. The US does Israel's dirty work and pays for it's citizens healthcare and college while they blow up our twin towers, try to sink our warships and kill our presidents. Fuck Israel, fuck Mossad and fuck lying European Jews who pretend to be semites but are actually Polish and Ukranian.
And yet it was the jihadists who blew of the Twin Towers (they claimed responsibility), attacked the Pentagon and targeted the White House. Take a breath and calm you brain with actual history.
Lol. Shut up Jew. No one asked your lying ass. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows it was Mossad and that Osama was a CIA asset. Your lying days are almost over, don't worry.
Decades from now, when scholars are analyzing the historical record, documenting the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians who were shot, starved, burned and buried alive, I hope they factor into their evaluations this hard-hitting critique of the 11th Superman movie.
We’re at around 50k civilians even with well known difficulties in tracking deaths. Is there some magic line between 50k and hundreds of thousands where the morality of this is materially different?
Are you getting your scoop from Baghdad Bob 🤦🏿♀️😜😝🤪
There are no innocent or starving Arabs in Gaza
Fuck the phony Palestinians
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
I forgot about all those women and children who started the war. I’m sure all the other survivors of genocides throughout history understand their victimizers also didn’t have the goal of extermination given they are still alive.
Obviously you choose not to look at the footage of women and children doing the looting and criminal acts on October 7th, no one wore a uniform, they are all guilty not a single innocent Arab has emerged who has helped a Jew from Gaza.
Israeli Arabs were taken as hostages by Hamas and many were executed by Hamas along with foreign workers women children and none of them guilty. You're a pus filled freak to be defending jihadis who attacked a music festival at dawn that was promoted as a Peace fest, it became a pisslam fest of depravity and murder, thank you for exposing yourself as a future victim of your empathy and sympathy for barbarians, May that encounter come unexpectedly with unsympathetic results
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
I never argued that what’s going on in Gaza is not a crime against humanity I’m just sick of misinformation if you dontvseevthst there’s a huge difference between 58,000 and “hundreds of thousands,” or feel there’s nothing wrong with massively inflating numbers, then you’ve got more problems than I can deal with.
Many sources suggest 50k is a massive undercount, some even saying upwards of 300k. So like I said in my original comment, in a decade, I’m willing to stake all my problems you can’t deal with on the number being in the hundreds of thousands. Deal?
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
While you dedicate your time as the arbiter of seriousness to debating the death count in the ongoing genocide, I’m comfortable in my prediction, and I hope you find you’ve spent your time well
Your entire identity from your username to your gibberish blatherings is of a cursed one
It brings this Jew schadenfreude to see the total effect of the cursed ones, they can only speak of the Jews as they speak, their tongue is controlled by the curse, the space between their ears occupied by a skatepark of their own construction to honor the 80 generations of Jews emanating from the holy land of Israel given to them in perpetuity by the God of Israel forevermore for the Jews to grind away all day everyday rent free 🤦🏿♀️ 😜😝🤪
Your cursed persona is nothing but hate, you came online because you're cursed to hate you took the curse and you couldn't stop if you wanted to, you are possessed to regurgitate nonsensical gibberish all day everyday forever more due to the skate park that you've constructed between your ears for the 80 generations of Jews emanating from the holy land of Israel given to them by God in perpetuity, they're grinding away all day everyday rent free forever more. You awake and thinking about Jews and you dream about Jews as you have sleep...
All the while despite gentile guile 🐖💨
Jews are thriving with style in the year 5785 in the land given to them by God surrounded by enemies and thriving and striving for more while crucifixionists bitch about Jews and the afterlife to come from their false Messiah Jews are thriving in this life and will thrive forever more with 80 more generations to come from the holy land of Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
So if I abhor the mass killing of innocent Palestinian women and children I am antisemitic? What am I guilty of for feeling the same way about Russian aggression against Ukraine? In neither case can you legitimately say these deaths were collateral damage. It is purposeful and indiscriminate.
When you call these comments blood libel you are doing a disservice to all those Jews who suffered - often to death in Europe in the Middle Ages - because of genuine blood libels.
Islam is the crime and Hamas is the perpetrator and here you are being an Islamic deflectionist fuck off with that and eat shit and die.
Israel is the only nation to feed the barbarian hordes who invaded it during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most Arab friendly Israelis and you're defending Hamas
You're as useless as a pus filled blister on a rotting corpse of a Hamas barbarian
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
I'm entirely calm as I repudiate and assassinate the crucifixionist claims of lamentable lies that spew from crucifixionist mouths every time I'm in the comment sections. I'm sure you're calm as you're accused falsely of things you never did 🤦🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Unlike Ukrainian patriots and fighters, who hide their women and civilians in underground tunnels while they fight like men above ground, the Hamas maggots do the opposite, don’t they? Women and children on the front lines as human shields, cowardly maggot “resistance fighters” into the tunnels for cover!
Death to all maggots and their gutless maggot western useful idiot friends. MORTE.
Huh, all the Hamas videos I see show them confidently stalking the rubble and carefully laying well-planned ambushes which kill and maim about ten IDF per day, in average. Excellent work, and a masterclass in FIBUA and ambush techniques.
The Israeli videos typically show IOF parading in women's underwear, playing with Palestinian children's toys or blowing up hospitals and schools, or running away in a panic when exposed to return fire 🤔
You should get a Telegram account, because your view is skewed, it seems.
So...why doesn't the IDF rescue the Palestinian women and children hostages of Hamas then? 🤔
Also you do realize Ukraine hides their children because the Russians are kidnapping them to be adopted by Russian citizens loyal to Vladimir Putin? 🤔
So one could argue based on this argument Russia is more heroic than Israel because kidnapping children isn't as bad as murdering them because they are used as a meat shield.
Your comments are is incomprehensible as your name is pronounceable fuck off and die
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Tell your jihadi buddies to stock up on food before they start their next war and maybe use their tunnels for civilian protection instead of Hamas protection, there are no innocent Arabs in Gaza nor are there any skinny starving ones the only starvation is occurring by the Arabs to the Jewish hostages.
Name another army/nation that has fed the barbarian hordes who invaded it 🤦🏿♀️
The odiferous whore known as green slit could be smelled as she worked the Streets of Philadelphia, the ooze from the green slit was forevermore and a taint on Liberty City, you've got the makings of a pornstar horror movie, let me know how it's going, Rick rolled with a green slit 🤷🏿♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
6000 Arabs of all ages dressed as civilians breached the border during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most Arab indulgent Israelis and none of them turn themselves in as the criminals against Humanity that they are nor did any take Israel up on me 2 million dollar reward to facilitate freeing the hostages who have not been freed due to Hamas being evil Islamic cunts like there Islamic deflectionist bitches found in comment sections everywhere, May their sympathy and empathy for the Islamic barbarians result in unsympathetic barbaric encounters often and unpredictably forevermore
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
You know how bad the Gaza genocide has got when even the New York Times is ready to publish a noted (Israeli) Holocaust scholar explaining why this is one.
Omer Bartov: "Israel is literally trying to wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza."
Bartov is a curiosity. It's incredible that any well-educated people can be so blind to the support that Israel has given to Gazans before and since the Hamas invasion and claim that Israel is guilty of genocide. It's clearer all the time that a university education has become a route to narrow, dogmatic thinking and is no longer a broadening experience.
Saying "even the New York Times" shows unwarranted respect for a newspaper that regularly shows that it has abandoned objectivity and commitment to truth.
Bartov is a leading Holocaust scholar, not “a curiosity”—his work has been cited and respected globally for decades. He’s a credible source… until he isn’t—namely, when his analysis challenges someone’s preferred war agenda. That selective credibility says more about the discomfort with his conclusions than about their validity.
The claim that Israel “supported Gazans” ignores the context of a 17-year blockade, repeated military assaults, and the humanitarian catastrophe we’re witnessing now. That’s precisely what Bartov is addressing when he says Israel is trying to "literally wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza."
And yes, I mentioned The New York Times because even a paper so often accused of bias or caution toward Israeli policy saw the need to publish this. That signals how stark the situation is—not just morally, but historically.
We can disagree, but let’s not pretend academic analysis suddenly becomes “dogma” the moment it contradicts certain interests.
From what I've learned in these comments it seems Pro Israeli government commentators are arguing that the fact Palestinians are still alive and haven't been killed in a day is proof of to them that Israeli hasn't committed any military misconduct or genocide based on post WWW II global definitions of these subjecs.
The problem with this argument is that's it's paradox.
Palestine is so effectively controlled by Hamas that it presents an existential crisis to Israel's existence as a nation on the same level as Hamas launching a nuke at it BUT Israel has performed humane military conduct that doesn't violate any international conditions of misconduct because they've mercifully haven't killed everyone on the Gaza Strip despite having superior military firepower to Hamas.
In DC Comics terms Palestine is Apokolips and Hamas is Darkseid's inner circle and they are close to getting the anti life equation BUT Israel is like Superman and they mercifully have allowed the Gaza Strip to exist the same way Superman refuses to kill Lex Luthor and destroy his company LexCorp.
In simple terms Palestinians are dangerous worshippers of Hamas who are super dangerous BUT they are at Israel's mercy and their continued existence means Israel has committed no war crimes.
Me: But if they are an existential threat how are they at your mercy? 🤷 They wouldn't be an existential threat if they are disadvantaged in any way?
What's happened in the academy has developed over decades, not suddenly, but the roiling antisemitism since the October massacre has made it apparent to many more of us. Such willful blindness on steroids is appalling. The "blockade" is only to prevent weapons entering from the Mediterranean, since they're used only to harass and kill Israelis, and it was imposed only after Hamas began its reign of terror. Be grateful that you're not subject to the "tender mercies" of Hamas. Israel has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with the hostile forces it. But you probably can't admit that.
Accusing people like Bartov—or anyone citing him—of “roiling antisemitism” is a serious charge, and it’s being thrown around far too loosely. Criticism of a state’s military conduct, especially from Jewish scholars, isn’t antisemitism. That conflation shuts down necessary discussion and trivialises actual antisemitism.
The blockade didn’t begin because of October 7 — it’s been in place since 2007, after Hamas took control of Gaza, and it has collectively punished over 2 million people ever since. That’s not just about weapons; it has restricted food, fuel, medical supplies, and movement. UN officials have long called it a form of apartheid and illegal under international law.
As for Israel showing “restraint,” it has killed many, many people in Gaza, the majority of them women and children, and displaced nearly the entire population. Entire neighbourhoods and hospitals have been reduced to rubble. If that’s restraint, what would unrestrained force look like?
This isn’t about Hamas's “tender mercies” — which no one here is defending. It’s about whether a state can respond to terrorism by committing acts that leading genocide scholars now describe as genocidal. That’s the issue Bartov raised. Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.
Read my comment again, because you've almost completely misconstrued it. For example, the roiling antisemitism is what we've seen on campuses where education was replaced with encampments and harassment, even physical obstruction, of Jewish professors and students. Ditto for street protests that began almost as soon as the October massacre. You may approve, but most are disgusted.
You're so underhanded and dishonest it is genuinely astonishing. Do you guys really think saying shit as if it were true is enough to make it so? The fucking hasbara teaching you the secret of manifestation now?
Harrowing, well-researched, and laid out. Thank you. The biggest takeaway for me, was the link out to Shaun King, a guy I passively followed on Twitter during the later days of the First Trump administration. As if his review wasn't gloat-central enough, I navigated over to his Facebook page to read his infantile Blood Libel-worthy assessments about the Israel-Palestinian conflicts. But zillions of useful idiots love and follow him.
Investigate Brigitte Gabriel and get to know reality, you won't investigate shit because you're a cursed deranged comments about Jews all day goitard 🧟♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
being offended by the new Superman movie is a new low; even for you Drew. Starting to become concerned about your mental well being. Praying you get the help you need brother
Do you not know about the existence of Serbia, Bosnia, and the general post-Yugoslav situation, or is just that whenever you see a country of racist imperialists you think “ah, this must be Israel”? Because that would be pretty telling
It's time you retards picked up your asses that keep dropping off every time you comment about Jews about things that aren't funny yet asses have fallen off for a decade from the bitch ass chumps who keep using that phrase thanks for being a bitch ass jump and letting me call you out bitch ass jump
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first all the while despite gentile guile Jews are thriving with style as the fifth happiest Nation on the planet fighting a seven front war achieving more militarily in 2 years than NATO did in 60, fuck off with your Islamic deflectionism and bitchiness about Jews
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
A Jew in the year 5785 is in touch with reality, not a crucifixionist awaiting a failed Messiah
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Your brain has been evacuated to create the skatepark for the Jews between your ears for them to grind away all day everyday forever more rent-free thus you're unable to think forever more due to your cursed nature of a self-inflicted cause…
Everything you spew is goi projection…eat shit and die
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
How soon till Australia announces caliphate status?
Leading the world in synagogue burnings, mazel tov.
SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? **
They're happy in Australia. They're happy in England. They're happy in Belgium. They're happy in Italy. They're happy in Germany. They're happy in Sweden. They're happy in Norway. They're happy in India. They're happy in the Canada. They're happy in the United States.
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame for their former unhappiness? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy!
Lesson 4
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Muslims 🤔
A recent disturbing case has emerged involving Adam Christopher Sheafe, who admitted to the crucifixion-style murder of Pastor William “Pastor Bill” Schonemann, 76, in New River, Arizona. Sheafe, 51, confessed during a jailhouse interview that he deliberately targeted Schonemann, whom he believed was leading people astray by following what Sheafe described as a "false God." He stated that his motive was religious, claiming that Christianity is incorrect and that the Bible should only include the Old Testament. Sheafe framed his actions as part of a self-proclaimed "divine mission" under "Operation First Commandment".
According to Sheafe, he had a broader plan to kill 14 Christian leaders across the country. Before Schonemann’s murder, he reportedly followed a priest in Phoenix after Easter Sunday services, intending to kill him, but refrained because two women entered the garage with the priest. He then traveled to Sedona, planning to kill two more religious figures, but was arrested shortly after Schonemann’s body was discovered on April 28.
Schonemann was found dead in his home with his arms stretched out and hands pinned to the wall in a manner mimicking crucifixion. A crown of thorns, made from nearby woods, was placed on his head. His death has been widely condemned as a grotesque and violent act motivated by extremist beliefs.
This case has sparked concern over religiously motivated violence and the safety of clergy members across the United States. It has also reignited discussions about the rise of anti-religious extremism and the need for greater awareness and protection for religious leaders.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Anything you can't understand you call insane, what a useless inbred crucifixionist goitarded Islamic deflectionist🤦🏿♀️
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
Can you name another military that has fed the murdering hordes that attacked it during a ceasefire on a major religious holiday on top of a minor religious holiday while those attackers of all ages sizes and affiliations raped murdered burned and disfigured 1,200 victims?
Suggestion for you and your jihadi cohorts, stock up on food and use your tunnels for civilian protection instead of facilitating jihad.
I recall the Mormon massacre in rural America along with plenty of pale skins killing Redskins, now we have pale skins for Palestine 🤔💨🤡🕳️
Pallywood productions await your attentive viewing 😭🤣😂
My favorite is the singular fellow in multiple locations with the same bloody baby doll holding it up endearingly and pathetically for the pathetic audiences of the West 🧐
But sure, keep acting like a total food blockade and then shooting children who try to access the one permitted distribution point isn’t a horror on par with Warsaw.
Name another civilization that has fed the invading barbarian hordes who overcame a border fence during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath and attacked maimed raped and set a fire the most Arab indulgent peace-loving Israelis in all of Israel fuck you eat shit and die you lamentable creep who sympathize with barbarians who strangle babies.
What a filthy scumbag you are to even stand up for barbarians, you're an anti-civilizational hemorrhoid shit stain pus filled wound of illogic and retardation.
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
There are no innocent Arabs in Gaza nor any starving ones they're all fat victims of their own shitting the bed
What a odiferous bloviating useless cunt of a used up windbag, nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first and everyone knows the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Israel won't be turning the other cheek but you spread yours and turn them too
You're retarded, Drew.
No, I am smarter than you.
Your essays and your Twitter posts read like a middle school essay. Sorry to break it to you, Drew, but you're retarded.
I think you’re a willfully audience-captured grifter who at this point isn’t even sure of what he truly believes. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to doubt that a (performative?) schizo such as yourself would make up — or at least greatly exaggerate — an anecdote of having your wallet stolen to post a deliberately provocative tweet calling for the death penalty for all property crimes, then quote tweet the most leftarded responses for further engagement.
You’re not smart, there is nothing smart about you fool.
Wow. Your response to that comment tells us all we need to know.
You are Drew.
Wow, what a substantive and coherent argument.
No, he's just a Master Race theorist. If he were mentally challenged, that would be forgivable.
1970-71, Jordan expelled 50,000-70,000 Palestinians
-Reason: Terrorism during Black September
1978, Egypt expelled at least 5,000 Palestinians
-Reason: Crackdown on terrorism
1982-87, Lebanon expelled 35,000-50,000 Palestinians
-Reason: Civil war and terrorist militia conflicts
1991, Kuwait expelled ~300,000 Palestinians
-Reason: Retribution for perceived support for Iraq, and related terrorism and civil unrest
1994-95, Libya expelled 15,000-30,000 Palestinians.
-Reason: Political fallout the Oslo Accords
There's a million miles between opposing Israeli and antisemitism.
You can oppose Israeli propaganda, Israeli expansionist policy in the Middle East, Israeli bombing of hospitals and schools , Israeli domicide in Gaza, Israeli domicide in the West Bank, Israeli domicide in Jerusalem, Israeli forcing intentional population displacement in Gaza, Israeli preventing international aid from reaching Gaza while their own aid operations kill up to 50 people a day who are seeking aid, Israeli assassination of political leaders, and so on, without being antisemitic. Generally, Israel does a lot of malicious bullshit that is worthy of condemnation.
I think it's a bit over the top to think, literally, Israeli influence in the US is causing US leaders to do what they don't want to do. If we think that's the hyperbolic take of the movie, then that's worth criticizing. In reality, the US likes having Israel as a client state. For some, Israel is the attack dog in the region who they order to blow people up with deniability (Joe Biden's take). Christian Evangelicals are part of a religious apocalyptic death cult that believe Israelis need to rebuild the Temple to hasten the end of the world in their wackadoodle eschatology (Glenn Beck's, Mike Huckabee's, Ted Cruz's take). The genuine antisemites want Israel around so they have a place to exile Jewish folks to from other countries (see: John Hagee, Anders Behring Breivik, or even Arthur Balfour of the famous Balfour declaration fame). So, the US is not being puppetted about on strings, let's be clear. US Leaders support Israel very willingly because Israel is a useful client state in the realpolitik and Machiavellian machinations of a variety of competing interests.
But it's also true that there is a massive and very successful public relations effort on part of the Israeli government to keep the American public on side, to keep the missile and bombs flowing. That isn't an antisemitic conspiracy, that is literally how Netanyahu cut his teeth in American politics, was going to the media to stump for Israel in the US for decades before returning to Israel to get into politics directly. That no one can criticize Israel without it being seen as "antisemitism" is proof of how successful this is. Judaism is not Israel, and Israel is not Judaism.
I love it when you fucksticks puke out every anti-Jewish conspiracy in the book and then try to peddle that there’s some huge difference between Jewish people the only Jewish country in the world, which holds half of the world’s 15 million total Jews, in order to get yourself off the hook.
Go fuck yourself, Nazi.
Stop conflating the actions of the Netanyahu government, which refuses to investigate 10/7 or hold early elections because he knows he'll lose in a landslide, with "Jews." It would be anti-Semitic in any other context, and I'm not convinced it isn't in this one, too.
The OP is not a Nazi. Attacking him as such is a sick disservice to the millions of Jewish Europeans slaughtered by the Nazis’ industralized extermination campaign.
[EDIT: Man, your profile really is something. https://archive.is/N3BCZ]
Larry Larry Larry
There you go being an Islamic deflectionist 🙃💨🐖🕳️
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Huh?
Don't spend any time thinking about Alan. He is a roving hasbara who combines vile slurs with attempts at being prosy.
Oh, brother. Asserting that every Jew is somehow linked to, and partially responsible for, every atrocity the state of Israel commits *is blatant antisemitism*.
Every member of Jewish Voice for Peace knows this, how do you not?
Zionists are nazis.
You are the ouroboros of GFY. 🤡
Uhuh.
Not sure which alternate universe your fevered Jew hating brain inhabits, but it sure isn’t the real one.
Better watch out, the Jew space laser wielded by the Jew lizard cabal which controls the world is specially designed to target all brain cells infected with the insidious antisemitism virus. It can even reach underground into your parents basement! Not even your treasured tinfoil hat can offer any protection.
Blocking you now, pedo incel. Go back to your treasured stash of Oct 7 torture porn and snuff films while you wait for the meager cheque from your Iranian paymasters.
STFU Ashke Nazi.
Havaara Nice Day.
Jewish bankers orchestrate all wars. Your ZOG is crumbling. Just a matter of time before your self-destruction is complete. Couldn't help but lie through your teeth and perpetually play the victim, which is why your asses were booted from 110 countries. There weren't even six million Jews in Europe during WWII. 137k at best.
Idiot
So is it, or is it not, antisemitic to conflate Israel with Jews? It says it is in the IHRA definition but then Zionists like you have relied on conflating the two to create the ridiculous argument that discussing the actions of Israel constitutes a hate crime against all Jews.
Was Sabbatai Zevi a "Jew"? What about Jacob Frank?
Go thump your Talmud and dream about taking back shots from Satan, demon.
https://open.substack.com/pub/barryshaw/p/palestinian-ethnic-cleansing-of-christians?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=36c3b5
In the meantime as opposed to crucifixionists Jews and Christians are living real lives dealing with islamists, luckily the Jews are in charge and the Christian population in Israel is growing after being driven out of area c after the Oslo Peace accords, but would you know anything about that you ignorant cunt?
The magic Jew triggers you forevermore and makes you spew Goi'tardery 🐖💨
It's magical how good it makes me feel to see you people get so frothy and stupid in your derangements, it's schadenfreude, such irrationality and pronouncements of obvious nonsense all day every day because you built a skatepark between your ears for the Jews to grind away rent free, the fifth happiest nation of Israel dwells in so many goitards heads, 5785 is a great time to be alive for this Jew with attitude who was put here to trigger goitards and reveling and excelling in my role at exposing Goi'tardery all day everyday forevermore, I'm getting paid by the smiles in my realization that Jews really are deemed for success...
I'm successfully triggering, vanquishing and emerging victorious across multiple goitard battlefronts, still waiting on your failed messiah?
Perhaps if it's not the season for fig trees you should go beat on your fig trees for not being in fruit in the season when they're not supposed to be in fruit as Jesus taught 😆
The real calendar year is 5785, your priests are celibate unless they're not and butt buggering boys and Jews trigger you, 🤗😉😂
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It’s actually quite simple to ascertain in this particular conflict which side represents the good guys. Ask yourself one question: what would happen should each of the adversaries somehow lose all their military capabilities? If Iran and their proxies laid down their weapons, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel.
The inability of so many to distinguish between aggressors and defenders is one of the great moral failings of our age.
Anyone unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians, versus the unwanted deaths of civilians as collateral damage while trying to eliminate terrorists who are hiding behind them, is utterly morally bankrupt and has a serious problem with Jews.
>>> "which side represents the good guys."
So, I mean no offense, but this, on my read, is at best a pretty naive take, but also maybe just irrationality or even obfuscation on your part. I could be wrong (tell me if I am) but let me explain why that's my read.
Well first, it is kind of hard to boil any complex system (say, a nation state or belligerents in an armed conflict) boil down to "good guys" and "bad guys" like we might have in fiction. For instance, the United States invasion of Iraq. On one side, you have the US, where we have democracy and the Nathans Famous Hot Dog Eating contest on 4th of July, and on the other side Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people? Who are the good guys? Well, what if the US invades on false pretenses, starting a conflict that kills anywhere from 100,000 to 1.1 million Iraqis (depending on who is counting), increasing instability in the region, leading to the birth of ISIS, which then proceeds to conduct international terrorist attacks across the world. If you're a modern resident of Baghdad today, you may well feel ambivalent about both Saddam and the US.
Second, this framing has the disadvantage in that it puts you in a pinch when the alleged "good guys" do bad things. Let's put aside the many civilian deaths in Gaza and look at a place where we hopefully agree: Russia's War on Ukraine. Ukraine is defending sovereign territory, Russia is also engaged in Genocide in captured regions systematically killing or displacing residents, kidnapping children, etc. But a more useful frame for this is that we support Ukraine because their a democracy, or geopolitically, or strategically, or we oppose territorial expansion by conquest as a principle in a post-World War II era, or we opposed unprovoked wars of aggression, or we think it's a bad idea to let Putin try to rebuild Peter the Great's empire, or any number of reasons other than "Ukraine are the good guys." Because if your support is only predicated on them being "the good guys" then what do you do when you have regiments in the Ukraine special forces with Nazi iconography, or when Ukranian units execute or torture POWs?
Third, this framing creates a false dichotomy. As we know, few things in life are really a binary choice between A or B. Usually, when someone says, "You must agree, either A or B," they're trying to force a false choice as a rhetorical technique, and they are typically biasing the dichotomy between their preferred solution and an obviously inferior or incorrect second solution. This is a logical fallacy, to argue a false binary is irrational. There's more than one possibility in many cases, but as we just discussed, in an armed conflict you can very easily have two sides doing bad things.
Fourth, adopting this "good guys" versus "bad guys" framing opens us up to very simple manipulation from bad actors making emotional appeals or polemics. Let's return to the example of Ukraine. The pro-Russia apologists are doing exactly this. "See, look, this one Azov unit had some Nazi patches, so Ukraine is also bad." It's easier for someone to get us onside with a bad faith polemic or diatribe if we're using a naive framing like good versus bad, instead of something grounded in principle like, "Actually, anyone who bombs a hospital or school or incinerates children is bad."
So, 1-4, that's my read. The framing of good guys versus bad guys is bringing nothing to the table in terms of improving the discussion or strengthening anyone's position, and in fact it's creating a vulnerability where someone using that frame might be more easily manipulated by someone who just needs to make the case that the "good guys" do "bad things." For example, I am about to directly show this in a few paragraphs.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that *you* specifically are attempting to obfuscate, but maybe you've been led to your position by obfuscation, if you're framing of the issue is naively based on who you have been told to consider the good guys, and you should consider to be the bad guys. Good versus bad is an evocative, emotional framing that propagandists will use in polemics to keep folks on side. You'd not be the only one taken in.
>>> "Ask yourself one question: what would happen should each of the adversaries somehow lose all their military capabilities?"
This is the test you've offered for who are good guys and who are bad guys. Let's for a moment, just for the sake of argument, accept your framing. I'll agree just for purposes of our discussion, "It's important to decide who are the good guys and who are the bad guys." And I'll agree for the sake of argument that there can even be a dichotomy: indeed, one side is good, one side is bad, no gray areas, no everyone is bad, etc.
I still must ask you: why is this the "one" question we should ask as a test?
I ask honestly. Could we not make another test. For example: "Ask yourself one question: which side has killed more children?" Is that not also a reasonable test of who is good and who is bad, assuming that we must accept this framing of sides in a conflict are either 100% good or 100% bad?
On October 7th, 1,195 Israelis were killed, including 736 civilians of those, 36 children. That seems like they are the bad guys! But what's this, since October 7th, Israel's attack on Gaza has killed an estimated 58,313 Palestinians, of those an unknown number of combatants and civilians though estimates from independent scholars are 80% are civilians or 46,651 civilians, an estimated 31-44% of those are children or at least 14,461. Israel has killed 40,169.44% more children in the conflict.
So, does this make Israel the bad guys using your framing of "zero nuance, black and white, good versus bad," but my proposed alternative question? Why would we use "one" question (yours) over any other "one" question (mine, or anyone else's)?
Maybe identifying the "good guys" from the "bad guys," even if we agreed that was a worthwhile framing of the issue, requires us to ask and answer more than "one" question, eh? Or maybe it's a useless framing, because the "good guys" (Israel) can be the "good guys" (who we're supporting for any reason) and still do bad things (Genocide).
Maybe if Israel does want to really be "good" guys, they should stop doing the Genocide, eh? Usually "good" guys in history are the ones not doing the Genocide, regardless of the pretext or rationale they might have for maybe starting one.
>>> "Anyone unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians, versus the unwanted deaths of civilians as collateral damage while trying to eliminate terrorists who are hiding behind them, is utterly morally bankrupt and has a serious problem with Jews."
I mean given that scholars estimate that 80% of the casualties in Gaza are civilians, are you the one who is, "unable to differentiate between the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of civilians," re: the IDF killing mostly civilians in Israel? Does that mean that you are utterly morally bankrupt, and you have a serious problem with Jews? That was of course a sort of cheeky questions, right? Because neither you nor I have a "serious problem with Jews," I assume. I don't know your heart, but that's my read based on your passionate defense of Israel here. But your reply was also quite sassy, because you seem to be implying that the only reason someone might criticize how Israel is prosecuting the war is because they have "a serious problem with Jews." Which is not exactly a good faith attempt to consider the conterfactual, now is it?
Anyway, the point is, I and increasingly many others, perhaps a majority of voters in the next election in the United States, can think the October 7 attack was heinous, criminal, terrorist, inhumane. We can think it needs a response. We can think Hamas should be destroyed, removed from power in Gaza. ***AND*** We can oppose the current course of Genocide by Israel in Gaza without "having a serious problem with Jews."
Stop babbling. Who survives if the Arabs/iranians put down their weapons?
Thats it. That’s all you have to know. Stop obfuscating. I’m sure you’re a college sophomore and think you’re impressive. The rest of us aren’t narcissistic college sophomores. We have way more experience and knowledge.
Become a human for the first time.
>>> "I’m sure you’re a college sophomore and think you’re impressive. The rest of us aren’t narcissistic college sophomores. We have way more experience and knowledge.
First, nope, not right on any charges there. Second, why is it that you think the merit of an idea is tied to someone's identity? Good ideas and correct arguments come from everywhere. People are pretty amazing in that way.
The fact that human beings are all equal is part of why Israel's war of genocide that's blowing up a bunch of kids is super heinous. If we accept that human beings are all worthwhile, regardless of their race or religion, then there isn't a way to justify the wonton slaughter in Gaza, or the use of starvation as a tool of war.
>>> "Stop babbling. "
I had already responded, asked and answered, because I did answer this already. If you don't want to read what I wrote, don't. But don't tell me I didn't answer the question if you didn't read what I wrote. How would you know?
>>> "Who survives if the Arabs/Iranians put down their weapons?"
I mean, Israel's defense doctrine has always emphasized anticipatory attacks and pre-emptive strikes. So, I'm curious why you think Israel would stop attacking neighboring countries under this hypothetical. And what of the residents of the West Bank who face violence and displacement at the hands of Israeli settlers, even when they do not have weapons?
Israel continues a territorially expansive policy in the region. They aren't going to stop taking over other people's land anytime soon. When they (rarely) give land back (like the Sinai, Gaza), the most extreme and violent expansionist elements in Israeli public policy pitch a fit. Smotrich in the current Defense Ministry was arrested for plotting to blow up Ayalon Highway with 700 liters of gasoline during the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza. But if you take people's land, they will not be happy with you and may fight you to try to keep control of it, you surely must realize.
What does "put down their weapons" mean? Are you suggesting these countries have no weapons? Is that a tolerable set of circumstances for any country, to not have any means of defense?
Finally, why do you think you know the future. Do you know who survives? How? You don't.
But as I originally said, this is a pointless question, not a very good argument. It may be simply rhetorically stunted, or genuinely dishonest, but this question sounds like a good argument to someone like you and our friend Liora who agrees with dozens of unstated assumptions you are making beyond your words as written.
I lean towards dishonest. It strawmans those who criticize Israel's genocide, as if we are saying that Israel should disarm entirely or not defend itself. I did not say that. This hypothetical in which one side disarms, or the other is unattached from reality, but in a way that you can argue a strawman instead of my actual words. Israel should defend itself. Neighboring countries should defend themselves. Anyone doing a genocide should stop, because genocide is wrong.
Well said and totally on point! Gold star! ⭐️
Israel says it needs to be evil because its neighbors are evil.
Yet refuses to order in the 650,000 UN blue helmets who could garrison their borders, cuz "muhhh sovereignty".
War is idiocy and militarists are window lickers.
Give me back the 7 seconds it took the scroll through all that gibberish, read this and get schooled instead of being a bloviating blowhard troll
https://open.substack.com/pub/barryshaw/p/palestinian-ethnic-cleansing-of-christians?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=36c3b5
>>> "Give me back the 7 seconds..."
If only time worked that way! I'd ask for my time back as well.
>>> "read this and get schooled"
I generally enjoy reading, and find value in education, so I'm happy to do so. I do note as I read that many of the folks who continue to deny that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza seem resolutely opposed to reading
What am I reading?
Well first, I had to figure out who your boy Barry Shaw is.
His biography on substack reads: "Senior Associate, Israel Institute for Strategic Studies. Author of books including Israel Reclaiming the Narrative. Fighting Hamas, BDS, and Anti-Semitism. BDS for Idiots. 1917 From Palestine to the Land of Israel. A Tale of Love and Destiny. " As you may imagine, I'm initially skeptical at this point. I also generally become a little skeptical when someone throws an acronym at me without defining it, i.e., what is BDS? I also have some skepticism I'm about to be schooled from someone who engages in polemics from first jump in his biography no less.
I find that a lot of pro-Israeli genocide folks who do genocide apologia seem to struggle with media literacy. This could be a good guide for you, Alan: https://fair.org/take-action-now/media-activism-kit/how-to-detect-bias-in-news-media/. It has nothing to do with the genocide, rather it will help you evaluate sources in the future. Stuff like the loaded language or stated bias from the man's biography are already telling me that I am about to read a non-objective, subjective work. Which is fine, generally the facts of the case don't support most genocide apologia -- the exception being, somewhere in these comments we did get the rare person who said that they want to do genocide and their only criticism of the Israeli government is that they aren't genociding fast enough.
But do I know Mr. Shaw yet? I went digging deeper. This is Shaw's biography as an author on Amazon: "Israel's hateful enemies grab the headlines, accusing my country of every conceivable wrong-doing. Everything, including terror and war, is justified. When Palestinian terror struck my hometown of Netanya on the Mediterranean coast of Israel it affected my understanding of what is really at play. This, and my knowledge of the root causes of anti-Semitism. It has nothing to do with the peace, or a Two-State Solution. It had everything to do with an obsessive campaign to eliminate the only liberal democracy in the Middle East by violence, propaganda, intimidation and persuasion. I have taken on the mantle of delivering truth and light where lies and darkness seems to control academia and the public space. My battle is to win over hearts and minds by offering badly needed information. I have an online presence in which I deliver news, videos, articles and strategic affairs bulletins. I also write books delivered in a way that is both informative and entertaining. 'ISRAEL - RECLAIMING THE NARRATIVE' counters the fraudulent lies that sway public opinion against Israel. The response I get from readers that that they didn't know the information I expose in this book, information that helps reclaim the moral high ground where Israel truly belongs. 'FIGHTING HAMAS, BDS, AND ANTI-SEMITISM' is my deeply researched journey into the Jew hatred that is an integral part of pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, campaigns. This book was a harbinger to the international recognized IHRA definition of Anti-Semitism in that it highlighted a hybrid form of hate that smothers both the individual Jew and Israel, the collective Jew, in its obsession. 'BDS for IDIOTS,' a seriously funny humiliation of BDS campaigners who never sleep in their fevered and ineffective hatred of Israel. This much needed guidebook offers pro-Israel students an action plan and details that defeat ill informed anti-Israel activists. '1917. FROM PALESTINE TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL' illustrates the extraordinary early struggles of Jewish and Christian Zionists who paved the way for the restoration of the Land of Israel. This book takes you on a journey back a century to a Middle East at war in which you meet the extraordinary and courageous Jewish and Chritain heroes that paved the way to the Land of Israel. You become a witness to the back story that changed the Middle East map and history. 'A TALE OF LOVE AND DESTINY.' A passionate affair. The loss of a lover. A witness to a genocide. The only woman to lead a major spy ring in wartime, under the noses of the enemy. A woman that became a folk heroine to her people. For love of country. A saga of true events a century ago. Barry Shaw is the Senior Associate for Public Diplomacy at the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies."
Great, so we can see this individuals biases laid out even more plainly. Again, my ears perk up right away to the sensationalized and unobjective language he uses to describe even himself, and he also states his biases plainly. This is all important context as I dig into the article you linked.
What's Shaw writing about then? "PALESTINIAN ETHNIC CLEANSING OF CHRISTIANS IN THE HOLY LAND." Okay. Unrelated to the topic, but my new substack friend Alan says I should read this, so I will indulge the non-sequitur!
Having read it, Shaw does not at all deny that Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza, nor does he defend it.
I don't feel I have learned very much Alan. What did you want me to take from this?
If you are arguing, "Genocide is bad!" I agree. If you are arguing, "There shouldn't be any genocide anywhere by anyone!" I agree. If you are arguing, "Anyone of any religious or ethnic persuasion should be able to live free and equal lives in the land they want to call home," I agree!
But if you're just engaging in what-about-ism, saying, "ah, well, they did a genocide!," then you're hiding and running away from trying to explain or defend the current Genocide Israel is doing in Gaza. My position is that Israel should not do Genocide, and that Genocide is never justified. That doesn't change because Hamas or the PLA are also bad guys.
The whole point of my original reply, i.e., "all that gibberish," to our friend Liora is that this "good guys" versus "bad guys" framing is hopelessly naive. Sometimes there are only bad guys. When the US army tortured detainees at Abu Ghraib that isn't a case of "good guys" verus "bad guys," where the "good guys" are justified to do stuff we normally expect only "bad guys" to do because the "bad guys" were so "bad." Everyone involved in Abu Ghraib was a bad guy. So too with Israel fighting Hamas in Gaza.
>>> "instead of being a bloviating blowhard troll"
Jokes on you! I read it, and still managed to bloviate! Now that we are friends Alan, you shall see that I can chew gum and walk!
For fuck sake who's got time to read your crucifixionist goitardery babbling Brook of jibber jabber
You're an infidel acting as an Islamic deflectionist 💨🐖🕳️
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
>>> "For fuck sake who's got time to read your crucifixionist goitardery babbling Brook of jibber jabber "
Apparently very few of you who are engaged in genocide apologia. The feeling you are experiencing is called "cognitive dissonance," Alan. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
You have my sympathies. It can be quite uncomfortable to hold a pet belief, i.e., "Israel is the good guys," while trying to reconcile that with contradicting sets of facts like, "Israel is conducting a Genocide in Gaza."
>>> "You're an infidel acting as an Islamic deflectionist 💨🐖🕳️"
I kind of am an infidel. Personally, I do not subscribe to any religion.
Your choice of the word is "deflectinist" is interesting. Alan, you earlier shared Barry Shaw's article in which Shaw engaged in deflection by ignoring the genocide in gaza to talk about other topics. Shaw is a deflectionist. Meanwhile, I engage with you directly, in good faith.
>>> "Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission."
Alan, my friend, I already explained to Liora that we should avoid setting up these false dichotomies. You should perk your ears whenever anyone offers you any sort of "A" or "B" choice. There really are very few true cases in life with binary outcomes. Usually when someone tries to reduce a complex system or nuanced argument to a binary, they're engaged in a rhetorical sleight of hand to try to simplify an issue into obscurity. It's normally bad faith, it should be avoided.
I have no idea what this means: "which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope."
Who is "our?" Don't include me in "supressionist theology," please. I have no theology.
>>> "For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice. And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout 'Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!' - well, you're singing our song. 'That's our Story and we're sticking to it.'"
Only song I am singing is: "Israel should stop doing a genocide. Generally, genocide is always wrong. All human beings are equal, regardless of faith, culture, or ethnicity."
As a Muslim, I want you to be able to do your thing, and for the Jewish people to do their thing, and for the Christians to do their thing. If you have mutually conflicting goals, figure it out amongst yourselves, but when one of you starts trying to genocide one or the other of you, I will tell you that, "Hey, genocide is not the answer folks."
https://substack.com/@roybentzvi/note/c-136288045?r=36c3b5
bravo
The bad guys are the ones with a Master Race theory who are dropping bombs on üntermenchen (goy in Yiddish) born into concentration camps. A Shoah Re-enactment Theme Park for Eastern Europeans has no "Right to Exist" in Asia.
Speaking of helping out Christians when fellow Christians won't help out fellow Christians they are turning to jews, like the druse in Syria are turning to Jews and the nation of Israel for safety, it brings me pleasure to see you guys go full goytard and expose your derangements all the while with style the Jews are helping the Christians in Israel who are being persecuted by the Muslims.
Do you have any dipping sauce for your cannibal Christ on the wrong sabbath? Seems totally like a turning of the other cheek to not market those more, amongst the 30,000 different churches no room for flavorings of your theophagy?
Jesus Brew could join the wine too, deliver a whole range of Vatican booze to take advantage of the predilection amongst your people, Sunday all you can eat theophagy special
Will call it Soylent Green 🤗😆
A crucifixionist deflecting away from goy atrocities yet again?
You even learned Yiddish to pursue your obsession and derangement.😆😜😝🤪
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
https://open.substack.com/pub/barryshaw/p/palestinian-ethnic-cleansing-of-christians?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=36c3b5
The americans in their wars sent "thoughts and prayers" and "regrets" about the people they killed while bombing communists.
Is that how you justify 40,000 dead palestinians?
After the nonexistential 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by a grand total of 20 individuals, the US killed hundreds of thousands and brought down two countries. One can only imagine the response to a widespread invasion by a neighboring country slaughtering 40,000 Americans and kidnapping thousands into terror dungeons - in a single day.
Anyone who dares to include the documented 25,000 eliminated terrorist savages in any Hamas -reported casualty count - and who ignores the unprecedentedly low civilian:combatant casualty ratio due wholly to Israel’s efforts at minimizing civilian casualties even as Hamas brags of maximizing them - needs to take a long hard look at his moral compass.
oh i get it.
Accidentally kill one civilian its a tragedy:
kill 40k its a statistic.
Ami rite or amirite
You sound uncomfortable. Perhaps your diaper needs changing.
Tablet Magazine: How the Media Manufactured a ‘Genocide’:
“If Israel’s war in Gaza qualifies as genocide, it would constitute a striking historical outlier: perhaps the first such case of genocide triggered by a mass terrorist attack involving the slaughter of civilians and the taking of hostages; the first in which the genocider permitted food, fuel, and humanitarian aid to flow into the territory of its purported victims; and potentially the only instance in which the perpetrators lacked any prior plan or ideological commitment to extermination. It may also be unique in that the targeted group’s combatants have deliberately embedded themselves in civilian infrastructure and sought to increase civilian casualties for strategic and propaganda purposes. And it could be the only genocide that might plausibly be halted on the spot—not by the genocider, but by the group claiming victimhood. Specifically, were Hamas to release the hostages and lay down its arms, Israel’s military campaign—having achieved its core objectives—would likely cease.
Yet doing so would mean relinquishing a central propaganda asset: the ability to frame Israel’s actions as a genocidal assault on a defenseless population, a framing that is in turn made possible only by concept creep. Hamas’ casualty figures suggest that far more than half of the dead in Gaza are either Hamas fighters or young men of military age. A ratio of combatants to civilians anywhere close to 1:1 is unrivaled in the history of urban warfare. Does this mean that all past instances of urban warfare—such as U.S. operations in Iraq’s Mosul and Fallujah, let alone Allied bombing attacks on German cities or the Battle of Manila against the Japanese—must retroactively be treated as genocides? Surely, the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki must be considered a genocide, even though historians commonly estimate that the subsequent Imperial Japanese Armed Forces surrender saved at least 2 million lives.
The answers are highly troubling either way. If the new math of genocide is correct, then we have a press teaching a large public that warfare of any kind is always a hideous crime, even when waged in response to murderous attacks by genocidal maniacs and Nazis on defenseless civilians. No means there is to be one rule for Jews and a different rule for everyone else.”
if everythings so hunky dory in Gaza why are they saying theres so much suffering?
I -totally- believe all the propaganda you just posted. Sure...
Gaza is a modern day paradise: its residents are grilling hotdogs and sipping gin spritzers in rooftop cabanas while their kids play on the beach.
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all war IS crime.
worse than crime.
Hamas isnt going to "lay down their arms and release hostages": same as Israel isnt going to lay down -its- arms or release -its- hostages.
So theyre at an impasse.
idk.
The whole thing is horrid.
“Savages”
YOUR moral compass needs recalibration.
Hmm…. If you are unable to use that term to describe the vicious barbarians who committed Oct 7, perhaps you need to take a good hard look in the mirror and reconsider your own moral compass.
If you’ve ever wondered how millions of seemingly ordinary people could have enabled centuries of vicious anti Jewish persecution, through the first pre Israel Holocaust and culminating in the Oct 7 massacres and beyond, now you know.
What is that have to do with the tons of photographic and video evidence of civilian casualties in Gaza and the desire to perform an unbiased and thorough investigation to ensure these casualties were only from defensive military manuevers?
Logically and morally it would make sense to me if I led the Israeli government and military to say United Nations and American allies in Europe who condemn my actions...come to my nation and I will definitively prove to you we are fighting a 100% defensive war. All the aggression in this war has been against us.
The fact that Israel favors Trump whose less willing to answer to the demands of a review of the Israeli military as long as he gets real estate in Gaza for his company makes Israel look terrible. It begs the question if this war is for protection or for personal gains of those who seek to profit from the war.
Which is a motivation that has caused dozens of other wars across hundreds of years.
By viscous barbarians you mean the IDF right? Last time I checked Hamas didn't have hellfire missiles or tanks, but that's what many of your fellow Jews died to on that day. IDF killing their own in a false flag to excuse more killing. You all are the spawn of satan and will be dealt with accordingly. Your time is quickly running out.
The illegal war the US committed against the wrong people with the pretense of a terror attack the US ignored all evidence was coming?
Maybe if the attackers who did 9/11 were Native Americans you could make that comparison, and most of the people in the tower were US soldiers. And the Twin Towers were on the edge of the camps we put the Native Americans in during the trail of tears.
Other than that this is a perfect example.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/indigenous-solidarity-the-global-resonance-of-zionism-among-indigenous-peoples/
I am indigenous so this is really funny.
Link spamming is shitty hasbara love
I like the claim that 9/11 involved all of 20 individuals, and not the entirety of Al Queda and the Taliban which was shielding them.
The second Iraq invasion was BS, though a bunch of Americans loudly protested that one at the time...
Was the US accused of genocide at that time? Were Americans attacked in the streets?
I'm actually not interested in engaging with a crazy person online. Just pointing out that this claim was particularly moronic. Do with that information what you will...
Yes the US was accused of genocide and it was proven George W Bush's administration broke the Geneva Conventions.
Yes Islamic Americans were beaten in the streets and some of them killed even though they had zero connection to Al Queda or the Taliban.
And again no one could stop George W Bush from committing war crimes. No one has the authority to stop Israel but to act as if they cannot question their actions and that if they do they think 10/7 wasn't a big problem is intellectually dishonest. It's just not true.
Erm. You can also look at the numbers of people who have been killed on each side. If Israel had laid down its weapons, there would be very many more people alive today than if the Palestinians did.
There would be more hospitals standing, more schools. And I have yet to see any evidence of the Hamas base that was under the Catholic Church that got bombed the other day.
If Israel stopped attacking its neighbours then its neighbours would stop defending themselves against Israel.
Jewish bankers cause all wars. No more Israel sounds beyond amazing.
Tell me you understand nothing about either finance or war without telling me you understand nothing about either finance or war.
I'm not a Jew. Why would I know anything about the business of orchestrating wars? Jewish bankers do that - not me...
So you admit you know nothing and are just running your keyboard.
I admit to knowing Jewish bankers orchestrate wars and that Jews should not be trusted. Maj. Gen Smedley Butler and Jesus taught me those things. Although you think Jesus is rotting in excrement in hell because your babylonian talmud tells you that, I think you're a fucktard for believing such things, not to mention a demon. So fuck off with your demonic Jew saturn / satan worshipping ass
Your dad should have come in your mom's ass instead pulling out and jamming it in her money hole
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Hitler should have finished the job.
But he didn't and his empire is in ash, Germany is full of Turks and foreigners because the god of Israel paid back Germany with a population of 7th century barbarians doing Christmas markets and generally rubbing goy noses in the filth that they created, German sheiss porn I've been told is reflective of the general defective deranged nature of the German.
Shitler was banging his niece for nearly a decade, 10 years younger, he eventually strangled her to death and it was known within Germany but they still voted him in, feed your kids to krampus as you imbibe eggs on Ishtar or whatever qoitard shit you do, can't help but notice how triggered you were that you replied four times for my one post, oy my goislave it makes me so happy to trigger you 4x, do you dream of being a catamite boy from Roman days? Maybe a boy lover of a Grecian warrior... I can smell the smegma through the internet from your uncircumcised filth and your pork parasites goitard 🎯
I'm so productive with you with four replies for one, can you beat your last spaz out quadraganza goitard goislave?
What in the world was Jesus doing in the garden with a naked boy at 4:00 a.m.?
You're the only one believing your lies demon. Go Jew around somewhere else. Maybe your rabbi will suck on your little penis if you're a mensch.
Yes.
https://youtu.be/YcSA7-4lBkw?si=sil9eOPC6rn9c2p1
https://open.substack.com/pub/barryshaw/p/palestinian-ethnic-cleansing-of-christians?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=36c3b5
Jews helping Christians in Israel
Elsewhere useless goitards bitch about Jews while their fellow crucifixionists get crucified by islamists 🐖💨
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This may shock you, but Jews and Muslims are both persecuting Christians.
Christian persecution is by Christians, two tier policing in England and throughout eurabia. Muslims do it in any interaction whether they are majority rule or minority.
The only persecution by Jews of Christians is self-inflicted between your ears in your self-constructed skatepark for the 80 generations of righteous Jews who emanate from the holy land of Israel given to the eternal nation of Israel in perpetuity by the one true God, to grind away all day everyday forevermore rent free! 😉😭🤣😂🙄🤪😝🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
“there is a massive and very successful public relations effort on part of the Israeli government to keep the American public on side, to keep the missile and bombs flowing”
What are you even referring to here, aside from a few speeches by Netanyahu?
I’ll steel man for you and say that AIPAC is an effective lobbying organization, though with terrible PR. But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment (at least pre Oct 7), it doesn’t (and has no mechanism to) cause it.
Sorry, too long winded for me.
Do you agree with the simple fact that if Iran and its proxies put down their weapons there would be no more war, and if Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Because it really is that simple. All the rest is commentary.
As to the unoriginal “genocide” blood libel (actually decades old, invented by the Soviets):
Pat Johnson, substance:
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.
Israel is protected by an illegal ,stolen nuclear triad defence, and a 'Damson Option' policy to NUKE every major world capital if it's existence is threatened, and you would have US pretend that Israel, which is currently bombing/invading six of it's neighbours, is the threat to the region?
The IDF was created by merging the terror cells of the Stern Gang, Irgun, Lehi, Haganah, etc., and it hasn't changed since that day. Israelis support this by electing no less than three such terrorists to the office of Prime Minister, and a subsequent procession of war criminals.
Nobody buys your hasbara anymore.
We get it, pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for everything wrong in their miserable lives just can’t stand it when Jews dare to defend themselves. They prefer their Jews helpless and stateless, cowering under the boot - or even better naked under the knife and ripe for rape and slaughter, just like their Oct 7 fantasies.
From the perspective of the anti-Semite, Jews have succeeded because of a Jewish conspiracy to consolidate power for themselves. The anti-Semite cannot deal with the truth of his inadequacies and failures so he creates fairy tales and boogy-men to blame for his disappointments and life situation. Unfortunately for the anti-Semite it’s never worked and it never will because lying to oneself to avoid confronting character defects prevents growth as a human being and stifles movement in other directions. The anti-Semite is his own worst enemy, much worse than the fiction of some Jewish plan to keep him down. Ironically, anti-semitism is created by the anti-Semite to explain why he cannot succeed while others in life can, yet it is the delusion he created that traps him like a rat in a cage while the rest of the world lives freely around him.
Tl;Dr.
Also, go fuck your tiny hat.
Who is equating Ashkenazi Sabbateans with "Jews"?
Herzl was just another revivalist of Sabbatai Zevi's inversion of Judaism, like his relative Jacob Frank.
There is nothing "Semitic" about the Ashkenazim, Ashke Nazi.
European Jews aren't semites. Shut the fuck up demon.
This is insane cope from you my goodness
Blah blah blah, go read your Talmud and pray to Saturn you demonic cunt.
Invented by the Soviets lol? The Bolshevik leadership was at least 85 percent Jewish. The lies never cease. Amazing.
Goi'tardery 🤦🏿♀️
Bolshevik Jewish Percentage
The percentage of Bolshevik leadership that was Jewish varied over the years. In 1922, 5.2% of the Bolshevik Party was Jewish, according to the YIVO encyclopedia.
However, in the early years of Bolshevism, the Jewish representation in the party was higher, with some sources claiming that at least 85% of the original Bolshevik party and Cheka secret police members were Jewish.
In the early years of the Bolshevik Party, Jews were a significant component, but their representation declined after the purges. By the 1930s, Jewish membership in the party had plummeted, and by 1990, only 1.6% of the party was Jewish.
It is also noted that while Jews were a significant element within Bolshevism in the early years, they were not the majority. The majority of the Bolshevik leadership were Russians, with Jews being a smaller but notable part of the leadership.
In 1924, by the end of the Russian Civil War, 72% of Bolsheviks were Russians, 5.88% were Ukrainian, and 5.2% were Jewish.
It is important to note that the percentage of Jewish leadership in the Bolshevik Party was not consistent throughout its history and changed over time due to various factors, including purges and changes in the party's composition.🙄
Glad you can quote lies written by Jews. I'm so proud of you!
Goi'tardery means waking up thinking about Jews and choosing to go about your day commenting and lying about Jews and going to sleep and dreaming about jews, your cursed ramblings are with you until the day you die, not a single coherent thought will emerge from your lips forever more due to your cursed nature...
You're a spectacle of Goi'tardery , it brings this due schadenfreude to watch you twist in the wind on your own lives choking on your own bullshit being called out constantly but due to the curse you need to reply four times for every one reply like last night, get triggered smegma boy, Jews are thriving in the year 5785 and between your ears in the skatepark of your own construction grinding away all day every day rent free forevermore 😱🤷🏿♀️😝💨🐖🕳️
https://substack.com/@roybentzvi/note/c-136288045?r=36c3b5
I mean, asked and answered Liora. Oh, I see, you say you couldn't read it. You should keep up with your learning! I have found that learning to read has paid rewarding dividends to me, though, I think in today's age there are many accommodations in society for those who cannot or choose not to read, so fear not.
https://www.ushmm.org/ from the Holocaust Museum: "The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. "
Raphael Lemkin defined genocide as the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group by means of destroying political and social institutions, culture, language, national feelings, religion, and its economic existence.
I am saying that this is what Israel is doing in Gaza, right now. They are doing those things. Destroying political and social institutions? Check. Destroying culture? Check. Destroying national feelings? Check. Destroying economic existence? Check. Is it targeted to a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group? Check, check, check.
Since you don't seem to know what Blood Libel is: "Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation) is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals."
Just to clarify, I am not saying that Jewish people are engaged in any sort of secret religious blood ritual. I don't know why you think that, but you did explain that you struggle to read earlier, so I understand and sympathize with you.
War is, indeed, hell. And much of what goes on during war is horrible, which is why preventing wars in the first place is so important. When Hamas broke the ceasefire to massacre, rape, and mutilate 1,200 people on October 7th — and kidnap some 250 others — they initiated a war.
Every day that passes without Hamas’ surrender — every day that they continue fighting and holding innocent hostages — Hamas is continuing it. The death of civilians in any conflict is a tragedy, and we must do whatever feasible to minimize it. We can be saddened, horrified, appalled, or angry about it. But it happens in every war, especially in urban warfare. Pretending this equals genocide (and just in this one instance) is grotesque, incredibly dishonest and, yes, antisemitic.”
And you could have added that Hamas intentionally ensures civilian casualties by using Gazans as human shields, embedding fighters among civilians, and hiding below or within schools and hospitals. To tar Israel with the despicable tactics and goals of Hamas requires a staggering level of willful blindness.
Just look at the windbag below, every sentence is a specious argument, lie by omission or outright blood libel. We shouldn’t be surprised - millions of people are attracted to such classics as the Protocols, Mein Kampf and David Irving’s tome, not to mention Hassan Piker and Tucker Carlson. Social media only allows this filth to be spread much more easily.
It really is quite incredible.
So many of us have asked how the Holocaust could have been allowed to happen…. Now we know.
(1) Urban Warfare is what the US did in Mosul and Fellujah. The 2004 battle in Fellujah lasted 6 weeks. The US lost a lot of soldiers because they used actual urban warfare tactics to minimize civilian casualties, which meant US soldiers died, because they didn't just flatten Fellujah with giant bombs. The US also didn't starve the civilian population of Fellujah. What Israel is doing is not urban warfare. Israel is bombing and shooting civilians, preventing the flow of aid, demolishing homes, displacing people, and is actively in talks with other countries like the US to fully displace people to make Trump's proposed seaside beach resort. After more than a year, Israel has not defeated Hamas, because that isn't Israel's goal: it's to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip by forcibly removing any Palestinians who are still alive by the time they are done with Gaza. They're doing it at exactly the pace they think they can maintain without the US pulling support.
(2) To that point, General Patreus who wrote the US Counter Insurgency Manual that informed how the US fought in urban contexts in Iraq spoke out just this week about how Israel is not doing counter insurgency effectively, at all: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/13/israel-gaza-hamas-counterinsurgency/
(3) We agree we should "do everything feasible to minimize it." Is it your position that Israel is doing so? To me, seems like if Israel could use fewer airstrikes and more soldiers on the ground, you probably would cause less apartment buildings to explode. Or better yet, negotiate an end to the conflict since over a year of bombing has not dislodged Hamas.
(4) This is genocide because of the systematic way in which Israel has bombed and bulldozed universities, parks, farm fields, hospitals, schools, and so on. You don't need to demolish a culture to succeed at Urban Warfare: https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226534897/israel-has-destroyed-hundreds-of-educational-institutions-in-gaza-since-the-war
General John Spencer from West point can school you on not being so stupid, the US buried 3,000 Iraqis with bulldozers as far as ethical warfare goes not a real reference point, no one can compare to the Israelis for military accomplishments and humanitarian warfare, who else feeds The barbarians who attacked them during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most peace loving Arab indulgent Israelis in all of Israel, you truly are a gaseous windbag full of bloviating Islamic deflection
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Since you’re a fan of long explanations, please educate yourself.
Rabbi James Kennard:
On a Spring day in March 1144, the body of a twelve-year old boy named William was found in the forest near the English town of Norwich. Although no-one was convicted of the murder, William’s uncle, a priest, had no doubt as to who was to blame; it was the town’s Jews who had killed the boy as part of a bizarre religious ritual. The Jews were protected from the mob by the local sheriff, but the entire local community was wiped out fifty years later. William became a saint and developed his own cult, and Norwich achieved notoriety as the home of the first blood libel of the mediaeval world.
More followed. “Saint Harold of Gloucester”; “Saint Robert of Bury”; “Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln” and many others punctuated the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. Each blood libel brought pogroms, executions and expulsion in its wake. After the Jews were exiled from England, the madness spread to Europe and thence to Asia and the Arab lands.
This tragic story tells us that a lie, repeated a sufficient number of times and echoed by enough sources, can be accepted as valid. Even though Jewish law mandates the avoidance of even a trace of blood – to such an extent that every egg must be checked for any specks before it is eaten – the notion that Jews killed children in order to drink their blood took hold of populations across the world.
This was not just a result of the primitive superstition and religious fervour of the Middle Ages; as late as 1840 the Jews of Damascus were accused of ritual murder– allegations that were re-visited in a book by the Syrian Defence Minister in 1986. In the twentieth century, blood libels occurred in Iran, Ukraine and even in New York. In 2002 a government-backed Saudi newspaper ran a series of articles confirming the "veracity" of instances of ritual murder by Jews.
Ideological convictions played a significant part in spreading and perpetuating the myths. The Christian Church, whose philosophical foundation partially rested on the belief that Jews were Christ-killers, had an interest in extrapolating this belief to make Jews baby-killers as well. Political motives were also involved. Those who owed money to Jewish moneylenders were keen to find an excuse to justify the Jews’ banishment and the confiscation of their property. Thus both clergy and politicians conspired to create a “narrative” in which “the Jews are guilty” became a natural and even automatic assumption on the discovery of any crime.
And myth generates myth. Once it is “established” that William of Norwich was a victim of the Jews, it seemed logical to assume the same of Harold and Robert. The story of little Hugh was spread by poem and ballad and even earned a mention in The Canterbury Tales. Word of mouth, the social media of the day, served to provide instant judgements against which accurate investigation provided no match.
Today we pride ourselves on our sophistication and intellectual rigour. We assume that no mass delusion could take place in the modern age. We are wrong.
Now, as then, critical masses of intelligent people believe in distorted narratives and unashamed lies spread, not be minstrels or chronicling monks, but by twitter and instagram, where millions share stories and instant judgements without any scrutiny or accountability.
Now, as then, Jews are the “other”, “untrustworthy”, “in league with a foreign power” and “the cause of their own misfortune”. Zionism, the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, is “demonic” and the “root of literally all the evil in the world”. Some of our attackers are careful to distinguish between Jews and Zionists, yet they regard all Jews as guilty of this “sin” until proven innocent.
Now, as then, Jews are accused of murder, yet this time it is on the scale of “genocide” - a charge which conveniently absolves the world for committing or allowing the Holocaust.
Now as then the generators and transmitters of these lies regard themselves as intelligent, rational and unprejudiced. They “do not have an antisemitic bone” in their bodies. They care only for the protection of little children (or at least those whose tragic deaths can be blamed on Jews).
This vast surge of modern-day antisemitism is found in the anti-Israel demonstrations on the streets, and especially in the sewers of social media. Some of the manifestations of the world’s oldest hatred have not yet reached the mainstream, nor the majority of the political class. But if we listen carefully to the media, we can hear these evil and barbaric notions about Jews inching closer and closer to the status of fact.
We can hear our government leaders downplay antisemitism by never even uttering the word without adding "and Islamophobia".
We can hear how the atrocities of October 7 are minimised, contextualised and denied.
We can hear how claims by the Hamas murderers are accepted without question, while statements from Israel are "unverified".
And we can hear how Israel is held to an infinitely higher standard than any other nation on earth.
Lies that are repeated often enough inevitably sow doubt and raise questions. Can so many people on twitter be wrong? Can so many journalists and commentators be biased, misreporting or distorting facts to fit their own prejudices?
The lesson of history is that they can. The evidence before us is that they are. The terrible fear is that this is just the beginning.
Liora, you're the one who admitted struggling to read. That is really okay. I think it's admirable for you to level set, admit fault, and continue to power on. I think it shows you are very dedicated to a cause you believe strongly in.
Again, because you've leveled with me about reading not being your forte, I'd like to ask you to re-read what I wrote, both initially, and in all of my responses.
I have not said anything about "Jewish" people doing Genocide.
I have said the nation state of Israel, currently lead by the rightwing Likud party and their coalition with ultra conservative and reactionary figures in the parliament, are doing a Genocide. That the policy of the country is Genocide.
The premise of my whole argument, from start to finish is Jewish people are not Israel, and Israel is not the Jewish people.
Reading the rest of what Rabbi James Kennard wrote, I find it to be unrelated to anything I have written in response to you. As you continue your journey to learn to read Liora, you will learn about something called a non sequitur: a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
Lol getting thru med school with honours would have been difficult if that were the case.
Nah, it’s just long winded ignorant stuff I don’t have time for.
Enjoy your trolling.
Magic words are what makes the testament new but not true
Nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first and everyone knows the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact
However
Genocide means an eradication
Like when crucifixionist Europe eliminated half of the Jews
Not what the ICC or icj reframed it to be, like crucifixionists reframed what Messiah is and then accuse the Jews of not believing in their false Messiah, Goi'tardery epitomized
Looking up statistically there are more Arabs in Gaza today than when they started the war during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most peace loving Arab indulgent Israelis in all of Israel
Eat shit and die
No, I do not agree with that assertion, history does not support it. Iran has not invaded another country for three hundred years or so, Israel bombs its neighbours every few weeks. If Israel laid down its arms, all violence in the region would immediately cease.
>>> "I’ll steel man for you"
Please, don't do me any favors, haha. I don't need your steelman. But correct me if I'm wrong, steelmanning normally means that you are supposed to take the strongest version of my argument. If you've not done that, perhaps this is a strawman instead?
>>>"AIPAC is an effective lobbying organization, though with terrible PR. But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment (at least pre Oct 7), it doesn’t (and has no mechanism to) cause it.
I mean, there's a few nuggets to tease out here, right. There's AIPAC, there's lobbying, there's PR, there's popular pro-Israel sentiment, and there is the relation between all of those things.
First, let's talk about American Israel Public Affairs Committee aka AIPAC. According to OpenSecrets, they made $51M+ in direct political donations, spent $3.3M+ on lobbying, and did direct outside spending of $37M+ to influence the 2024 elections. They were in the top 25 big donors and spenders on the campaign, of all groups. That's ~$91M spent on the 2024 Election in the United States.
Let's first clarify that what you said, that AIPAC is an, "effective lobbying organization," which we should amend that to say, "effective lobbying and political communication organization that buys ad space to influence voters in US elections." Because they do more than lobby, they give direct to campaigns, and they spend money directly on influencing the perceptions of voters.
Second, let's put this in perspective. Campaign spending in the US is absolutely wackadoodle nutso in our post Citizens United era of infinite money seeming to blanket the airwaves and digital ads around elections. Let's compare AIPAC to other notable advocacy groups, so we might assess my claim that they are "massive" and "very successful."
The political left in the United States has their bugbears and bugaboos. We could look at the National Rifle Association (NRA) which spent $868K on direct political donations (1.7% of the amount that AIPAC spent), $2M on lobbying (67% less than what AIPAC spent), and $10M on outside spending (27% of AIPAC). Koch Industries spent $49M on direct contributions (96% of AIPAC), $11M on lobbying (they spent more!) and only $89 dollars on outside spending (as in, less than $100, lol, dark money).
The political right has their adversaries. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) spent $940K on direct donations, $1.8M on lobbying, $1.1M on outside spending. Planned Parenthood spent $5M on direct donations, $1M on lobbying, and $11M on outside spending. The Soros fund spent $4.4M on direct donations, and $0 on lobbying and outside spending.
So that puts AIPAC right there in top dog poll position with the biggest hitters of either the left or the right. So let's not understate their size (i.e., "massive") and their impact, (i.e., "very successful.")
Let's put aside this bit, "But note that it is a function of popular pro Israel sentiment." I'm not as interested in chicken-and-egging AIPACs size and success with whether people support Israel, so AIPAC succeeds or whether AIPAC succeeds leading people to support Israel. Surely, these are in fact dynamic and complimentary things that can be both true. I guess I just ask, why do you think it's all one way here? Don't you think they might be winning some hearts and minds with their outside spending? If not, then why do they spend money on it? Similarly, they obviously do have a mechanism to increase support. They spend money on persuasion re: outside spending, and they work to boost pro-Israeli candidates and their arguments.
But AIPAC is not alone.
You have the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Nominally opposed to antisemitism domestically, yet suspiciously willing to give Nazi saluting Elon Musk a pass since he supports Israel, while attacking Jewish commentators who oppose the Genocide in Gaza. You have J Street. You have the Republican Jewish Coalition. You have Norpac. You have Democratic Majority for Israel. You have the Join Action Committee for Political Affairs, you have US Israel Pac, you have Pro-Israel America Pac, etc., etc., etc. There are many PACS that spend specifically on boosting Israel in US Elections. There is little point in naming them all, after all you were able to name drop one from memory, and either of us can navigate to google and just look it up online.
Similarly, I named a number of supporters of Israel in my original message: Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, Joe Biden. There are many American politicians and political commentators who make uncritical and unquestioning support for all Israeli policy, including Genocide, a specific element of their campaigning. These folks then influence perceptions in the United States; that's their job as leaders.
Finally, legacy media is largely also supportive and unquestioning of Israeli policy. One of my favorite reads is this blog post on McSweeney's called, "An Interactive Guide to Ambiguous Grammar." It is specifically dealing with police shootings of black people in the George Floyd era, but the topic in that post has broad applicability. The post is basically about the strategic use of journalists to use the passive voice to avoid assigning culpability. They take the sentence, "The swift brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." and turn it into, "Speed was involved in a jumping-related incident while a fox was brown." Take a look at any newspaper when they cover the Genocide in Gaza. How often is it Subject-Verb-Object for one side, i.e. coverage of Hamas killing several soldiers in Khan Yunis this weekend, versus mushy passive voice non-attribution when it's the IDF bombs a hospital. Here's one on CNN.com, "Children killed collecting water in Gaza, medical officials say, as ceasefire talks hit sticking points," (from July 14, 2025). Who killed them, CNN? Did they spontaneously combust? Was there something in the water? Oh, if I read beyond the headline, in the article later, "an Israeli airstrike." Cool, so alternative headline, "Israel bombs children" would have been clearer, no?
You are trying to explain public support for Israel. You said there is a massive effort by the Israeli government to keep the public on its side. All the orgs you cite are not related to the Israeli government, they are orgs funded and staffed by patriotic Americans. In addition, they don’t directly try to make Americans more pro Israel. ads they fund are usually not Israel related.
I don’t agree at all with your take on media bias here, but I’m sure I won’t convince you. Suffice it to say as someone who is very familiar with the area, I think every time they change their general standards they do so in a way that disadvantages Israel. To take one example among many, look at how statements by the IDF are typically reported relative to statements by Gaza authorities.
Patriotic Americans who have dual citizenship to Israel and only claim to be white or American when they want to shit on one of them. You're just another lying Jew. No surprise there. That's all you people are capable of. Lying and being a victim. Your entire identity depends on it
Huh? I hope your theories about how things work give you great comfort.
I don't care what you think of my facts Jew boy.
Your entire identity is of the cursed crucifixionist awaiting his failed Messiah who never returned, inherently triggered about Jews due to the curse 🤪
All day everyday they grind away rent free in the skatepark of your own construction between your ears, the fifth happiest Nation with 80 generations emanating from the land of Israel which was given to them by God, triggers you forever more, as cringey as your crusade gets it brings this to schadenfreude to know that all day long uncontrollable derangement is the result of you adopting the curse, glorious proof of the God of Israel and the eternal nation of Israel and its people. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Your god is saturn aka satan, the black cube, materialism. It's why you can't get enough sheckels.and why you love the color black and wear a tefelin. You're a descendant.of Cain and will suffer the consequences like the rest of the demon spawn you associate with. Have fun!
Ever notice how “blockaded” Gaza never seems to run out of bullets or rockets? If their masters cared, they could surely sneak other supplies in via the same channels. But they won't. Killing others and putting their own folks at risk to drum up sympathy are the priorities.
No disagreements from me there. I am no fan or sympathizer of Hamas.
Tldr
Islamic deflectionist alert🤦🏿♀️
How can a crucifixionist infidel come to be a Islamic deflectionist?
most likely Jew derangement syndrome often coexisting with Israel and Netanyahu derangement syndrome.
May the skate park you've built between your ears for the Jews and Israelis, the fifth happiest nation in the world thriving in its third millennium in the year 5785 continue to be fully occupied with more Jews grinding away all day everyday forever more🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
PS i DM'ed you. Substack has compressed our messages to a single file line of letters. 🤣 at least for me
When you call out Israel, the only Jewish State often with lies, but fail to call out any other country - it is antisemitic. The genuine genocide in Sudan, the Houthis’ grabbing Yazidi women for sexual slavery, China has a 1/2 million Muslims in concentration camps. No campus protests. No threads like yours.
You're repeating a rhetorical technique designed to try to change the topic of conversation, what-about-ism. Look it up, and ask yourself if you are doing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Relevant in the definition: "the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counteraccusation instead of a defense against the original accusation."
Maybe you are unwilling or unable to deny Israel's genocide, so you what-about your way to the rhetoric exit. Nicely done! Much easier to flee in that way then mount a argument in defense.
I'm more interested in this bit!! >>> "genuine genocide"
What is a 'genuine genocide'? I am saying Israel's actions in Gaza satisfy all relevant definitions of genocide.
Still haven’t posted about the Druze, huh?
Because America is bankrolling Israel, retard. That’s why we’re upset about it.
By equating antizionism to antisemitism all you freaks are doing is minting more antisemites.
Goi'tardery 🤦🏿♀️
Tell me you know nothing and listen to Tucker and Candy-O and Nick f the jizia guzzler
I'm counting on the skatepark that you built between your ears for the 80 generations of righteous Jews emanating from the fifth happiest Nation on earth, theholy land of Israel given to them by God forevermore to be fully populated with another 80 generations of righteous happy Jews grinding away all day every day forevermore rent free 🤪😝😜🤦🏿♀️😆😚🥱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
I’m Jewish and left-wing. The group of people who hate Israel is a big tent. Also lmao why are y’alls insults always so perverse and gay. Freaks!
Please keep posting you’re convincing more people to be anti Zionist than I ever could.
Reread my comment and tell me when you are calling out these other atrocities. You can start with what is happening right now to the Druze in Syria.
European Jews aren't semites though. What you're describing is literally impossible.
Reread my comment and tell me when you are calling out these other atrocities. You can start with what is happening right now to the Druze in Syria.
'look over here'
You're empty skull can't fathom how deranged you are about Jews the Muslims you adore and deflect for are killing wantonly and islamically in southern Syria and the Israelis are saving the drusa but unless Jews are fighting back and not turning the other cheek like a goitard would than you will be triggered forevermore all day every day with them grinding away, eat shit and die goitard🐖💨
Nah
The genetics say otherwise.
"There's a million miles between opposing Israeli and antisemitism."
So you agree with Drew, the movie is anti-Israel.
I didn't say that, no. It may or may not be, but I was responding to Drew interchangeably referring to opposing Israeli policy (i.e., genocide in Gaza) and being antisemitic as the same thing.
Drew didn't do that. You read that into his post, and took the opportunity to write a post of your own not responding to anything he wrote. You accepted his premise that "Boravia" is "Israel" which concedes the point to Drew, and proves my own.
https://technium.substack.com/p/when-enemies-agree-a-review-of-a
The Palestinians are a bunch of 70 iq cousin fuckers running a death cult that have been terrorizing isreal for decades as part of their ultimate goal of the total extermination of all Jews.
There is no peace with that. They don’t have legitimate grievances. There is no policy platform that would satisfy them.
The only thing wrong with Israeli policy is that they don’t rip the band aid off and just get rid of them all for good thus ending this stupid conflict. They are too merciful.
>>> "The only thing wrong with Israeli policy is that they don’t rip the band aid off and just get rid of them all for good thus ending this stupid conflict. They are too merciful."
Thank you for your candor. I think if Israel is going to do a genocide, they should at least do it proudly, just like this. I don't really understand folks trying to find arguments to support a genocide while arguing that genocide is not what they are doing. If you think you are right, why hide your face with a mask? Kudos to you.
Israel is trying to kill terrorists who regularly commit atrocities against their people, but those terrorists are embedded in a civilian population sympathetic to them in a dense and impoverished urban environment. Mass casualties are a natural outcome of this, but not the objective goal (if genocide were the objective goal Israel could kill everyone in the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon). If the Hamas terrorists would fight the IDF directly away from civilians all of these deaths could be avoided, but Hamas would lose such a conflict because they are backwards human trash with no modern military capabilities.
"certain acts committed with the intent to destroy..."
Most definitions of genocide involve an active intent to destroy and entire group. Absent that intent, it's not "genocide".
For instance, merchants spreading the Black Death caused mass casualties, but there was no intent, so its not genocide, even if the results are similar.
The gold standard for genocide is the Holocaust.
Because I don't think the Israeli's can ever find peace with the Palestinians I think they should commit genocide to end the problem once and for all. People will get angry but then get bored and move on. So long as its an active problem where will always be some new headline keeping it on peoples minds. But my opinion is not shared by the state of Israel, which caries on with its thankless task if being surrounded by hopeless savages.
You're a piece of garbage
I forgot one thing.
The stated goal of the Palestinians is ACTUAL GENOCIDE. Like actually killing every single Jew in Israel. They lack the capability to carry this genocide out (being worthless trash), but they would if they could. Oct 7th is a window into what they do the second they think they can.
You sound insane. Seek help
Considering Jews did 9/11, JFK, the USS Liberty and can't do anything but lie, cheat and steal so that they get kicked out of 110+ countries, I think the Palestinians are being pretty sensible.
But if the Israeli wiped out the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon then they'd have these potential problems.
A.) Global condemnation from dozens of countries for wiping out a civilian population. That would hurt Israeli global standing. You and others of your position are arguing against those whether academics, dilponats, military officers or journalists that Israeli's actions are a genocide.
You can say these highly trained people in their respective fields are wrong but they are contingent who have considerable influence in global politics.
Which would explain why the Israeli government values the United States so much as an ally.
B.) The United States deciding to drop Israel as an ally and no longer funding it's military or political ventures. Donald Trump dropped Vladimir Putin as an ally when many observers assumed he'd never do that. What's to say the same thing won't happen for Israel if Trump finds the backlash to the political future of his allies in the US government so strong he disavows giving money to Israel.
C.) Agitating other Arab nations who don't like Israel and creating a narrative of victimhood and characterizing Israel as a expansionist power on the same level of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
So your argument that Israel is being merciful to Palestine is ridiculous. They are being careful in their actions to maintain political and financial advantage. This war galvanizes popular sentiment that unifies disparate factions and gives the Trump Administration a huge political advantage that motivates them to not only finance Israel but popularize arguments pro war and demonize anti war arguments.
Why would the Israeli government jeopardize such a relationship with a key political ally to wipe out the Gaza Strip in a single afternoon? Especially if anyone who questions the paradox between an existential threat that's impossible to defeat to a deceitful adversary that needs trickery to inflict some damage but ultimately can be wiped out in a day loses any credibility in a Trump Administration America including American Jews.
Yes, there are a lot of drawbacks to wiping out the Gaza Strip in an afternoon. It’s not a step to take lightly. If it were at all possible to find a solution without genocide they should take it.
It all comes down to your view of the Palestinians. I have a very low view of them. I think that, genetically and culturally, they are the absolute worst. I don’t think any peace with them is possible on any timeline and involving any policy package. I think it’s just periodic Oct 7ths forever.
The worse you complain about what Israel has to do in response to periodic oct 7th, the better the arguement for just ending the problem permanently. If they are going to be condemned as monsters every single time they have to defend themselves there really isn’t any incentive not to be monsters. Be a monster for real and get it over with once at for all.
I think the policy argument could go either way. But I don’t think policy is the primary thing holding Israel back. I think their own moral self conception is. They are simply better human beings than you are. Their self conception won’t allow them to commit genocide, even if the Palestinians deserve it and it would be in Israel’s long term self interest. They are permanently chained for a moral code for which you give them no credit and reward literally the worst human beings in the entire planet in favor of them. It’s a cruel joke.
I emphatically disagree with your argument the Israeli government has moral self conception. We will have to agree to disagree on the moral character of the Israeli government. Too many people on your side have created no distinction between native Isreali's and those in the Israeli government. I obviously believe individuals Isreali's are moral but I don't believe any world government has moral self conception.
The government in my own country the United States lacks moral self conception. In a lot of wars it fought even though those wars were against monsters like Stalin or Sadam Hussein. There are many reasons that would take long essays to explain why I argue the US government lacks moral self conception.
There are individual people in the US Government with morals but there are so many others in the US government who lack any sort of morals and are wolves in sheep clothing. These individuals have sent BILLIONS to Israel and don't care how effectively the Israeli military is fighting. Or how many civilians are killed on either side.
If you simply don't care about this relationship between these two nations or the international community’s view of the this and the war that is your right but it is my right to question my country's relationship with your country. And to ask questions about Israel and condemn Hamas at the same time. If you think it's impossible to do this then again that is your right but I gave a full and complete explanation of my view and highlighted my own nations war crimes while fighting inhuman monsters to support my view.
The irony is that in the DC Comics universe the US government is guilty of worse crimes than any fictional government “based on Israel” (it's more based on Putin / Russia than Israel) in the Superman film. In the name of protecting the United States government in DC Comics has kidnapped, brainwashed, performed illegal experiments, blackmailed, extorted, bombed sovereign nations, and fired super weapons at civilians or sent clones of superheroes to kill civilians who questioned the government because they thought these civilians may secretly be working with alien invaders. When in reality they were just asking questions.
Superman for decades believes peace can be attained without civilian casualties on either side of a conflict. There's even a Superman film called Quest for Peace (though it's a terrible movie it at least accurately portrays Superman’s desire for peace).
Lex Luthor is one of the most repugnant immoral characters in fiction who has done monstrous things. Some comic book fans argue Lex isn't even worthy to be called a human yet Superman refuses to kill him.
But based on your logic Superman should kill Luthor and any employee who works for his company because Luthor publicly vowed to use all his money and resources to kill Superman. Luthor vowed as long as he lives he would never stop trying to kill Superman. Yet Superman simply placed Luthor in prison.
I am not saying Hamas should get away with the horrific actions committed on 10/7 and other days in the past BUT that conflict has very little to do with the Superman film.
This movie reviewer who created these debates is a liar. Superman simply argued against the killing of children for opposing Barvoria and doesn't pick a side in the fictional war that takes place in the movie. Barvoria doesn't manipulate the US government. Lex Luthor manipulates both the US and Barvoria for his own selfish gain and to kill Superman. And again this is more aligned with US and Russia (until recently) having a positive relationship.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
It may be a million miles but they’re usually crossed with ease.
Absolutely correct.
It's okay to oppose Israel *and* be antisemitic.
Rubbish
yeah i know. but their iron dome seems okay.
plus the US helps
Low IQ thinking. The US military knocked out all countries in the middle east opposed to the Jewish and Rothschild central banking mafia. The US does Israel's dirty work and pays for it's citizens healthcare and college while they blow up our twin towers, try to sink our warships and kill our presidents. Fuck Israel, fuck Mossad and fuck lying European Jews who pretend to be semites but are actually Polish and Ukranian.
And yet it was the jihadists who blew of the Twin Towers (they claimed responsibility), attacked the Pentagon and targeted the White House. Take a breath and calm you brain with actual history.
Lol. Shut up Jew. No one asked your lying ass. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows it was Mossad and that Osama was a CIA asset. Your lying days are almost over, don't worry.
Still haven’t posted about the Druze, huh?
Esau Esau Esau 🐖💨
What in the world was Jesus doing in the garden with the naked boy at 4:00 a.m.?
Cursed much 🤪 🐖💨
🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Blow up twin towers and hang out with pedophiles much?
i dont "support" anything.
On the contrary my only concern is the US govt including -me- in their foreign policy. I will not subsidize war. Any war. Ever.
Decades from now, when scholars are analyzing the historical record, documenting the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians who were shot, starved, burned and buried alive, I hope they factor into their evaluations this hard-hitting critique of the 11th Superman movie.
Fuck of Abdul.
@Drew Pavlou If you want to respond to me in the marketplace of ideas, unfortunately, you’ll have to contend with Adam here.
⬆️🚨HAMAS SUPPORTER🚨⬆️
SHITHEAD
Durr English are hard
Are you fucking kidding me? 100s of thousands? You batshit man
We’re at around 50k civilians even with well known difficulties in tracking deaths. Is there some magic line between 50k and hundreds of thousands where the morality of this is materially different?
Are you getting your scoop from Baghdad Bob 🤦🏿♀️😜😝🤪
There are no innocent or starving Arabs in Gaza
Fuck the phony Palestinians
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
No. It doesn’t matter. Don’t start a war (any of them since 1947) and you don’t get bombed by the people you attacked. It’s really that simple.
If Israel’s goal was to exterminate the Arabs in Gaza, they’d all be dead by now.
I forgot about all those women and children who started the war. I’m sure all the other survivors of genocides throughout history understand their victimizers also didn’t have the goal of extermination given they are still alive.
Obviously you choose not to look at the footage of women and children doing the looting and criminal acts on October 7th, no one wore a uniform, they are all guilty not a single innocent Arab has emerged who has helped a Jew from Gaza.
Israeli Arabs were taken as hostages by Hamas and many were executed by Hamas along with foreign workers women children and none of them guilty. You're a pus filled freak to be defending jihadis who attacked a music festival at dawn that was promoted as a Peace fest, it became a pisslam fest of depravity and murder, thank you for exposing yourself as a future victim of your empathy and sympathy for barbarians, May that encounter come unexpectedly with unsympathetic results
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
I believe in giving real numbers, otherwise you undermine your argument. If you make such a gross overstatement nobody will take you seriously
I really want you to take me seriously Lisa. Okay, 50k civilians. Is that bad?
I never argued that what’s going on in Gaza is not a crime against humanity I’m just sick of misinformation if you dontvseevthst there’s a huge difference between 58,000 and “hundreds of thousands,” or feel there’s nothing wrong with massively inflating numbers, then you’ve got more problems than I can deal with.
Many sources suggest 50k is a massive undercount, some even saying upwards of 300k. So like I said in my original comment, in a decade, I’m willing to stake all my problems you can’t deal with on the number being in the hundreds of thousands. Deal?
⬆️🚨JEW-HATER/NEO-NAZI🚨⬆️
Keep it up man you seem totally insane
Cry harder for your jihadi kin🐖💨
The Arab cries out, the Jew hit me back 👀🎯
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Nobody serious says it’s 300,000. You’re clearly comfortable with mis- and disinformation
While you dedicate your time as the arbiter of seriousness to debating the death count in the ongoing genocide, I’m comfortable in my prediction, and I hope you find you’ve spent your time well
And it’s not an isolated incident either.
https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/inuke:0?t=10873
>See a country of evil conquerors
>They invade a helpless country
>Secretly control the United States
>Murder civilians indiscriminately
>WTF, THAT'S LITERALLY ME!
🚨⬆️ NAZI⬆️🚨
Another cursed one reveals himself
Your entire identity from your username to your gibberish blatherings is of a cursed one
It brings this Jew schadenfreude to see the total effect of the cursed ones, they can only speak of the Jews as they speak, their tongue is controlled by the curse, the space between their ears occupied by a skatepark of their own construction to honor the 80 generations of Jews emanating from the holy land of Israel given to them in perpetuity by the God of Israel forevermore for the Jews to grind away all day everyday rent free 🤦🏿♀️ 😜😝🤪
Stay triggered goitard 🐖💨
Here's your shekel, pajeet.
Hope one day you can visit isntreal and get banned from entering every restaurant 🤣🤣
Eat shit and die crucifixionist cunt.
Your cursed persona is nothing but hate, you came online because you're cursed to hate you took the curse and you couldn't stop if you wanted to, you are possessed to regurgitate nonsensical gibberish all day everyday forever more due to the skate park that you've constructed between your ears for the 80 generations of Jews emanating from the holy land of Israel given to them by God in perpetuity, they're grinding away all day everyday rent free forever more. You awake and thinking about Jews and you dream about Jews as you have sleep...
All the while despite gentile guile 🐖💨
Jews are thriving with style in the year 5785 in the land given to them by God surrounded by enemies and thriving and striving for more while crucifixionists bitch about Jews and the afterlife to come from their false Messiah Jews are thriving in this life and will thrive forever more with 80 more generations to come from the holy land of Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Wahhhhhh my people are depicted as being bad guys for real stuff they’ve done in real life wahhhhhh everyone is against me!!!
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
🚨⬆️NEO-NAZI⬆️🚨
Yeah I’m not reading all that.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
So if I abhor the mass killing of innocent Palestinian women and children I am antisemitic? What am I guilty of for feeling the same way about Russian aggression against Ukraine? In neither case can you legitimately say these deaths were collateral damage. It is purposeful and indiscriminate.
I understand fully how reprehensible Hamas is. Killing unarmed starving civilians lined up to get food and water seems unjustified just the same.
You’re repeating a lie and a blood libel.
Braindead
When you call these comments blood libel you are doing a disservice to all those Jews who suffered - often to death in Europe in the Middle Ages - because of genuine blood libels.
Islam is the crime and Hamas is the perpetrator and here you are being an Islamic deflectionist fuck off with that and eat shit and die.
Israel is the only nation to feed the barbarian hordes who invaded it during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most Arab friendly Israelis and you're defending Hamas
You're as useless as a pus filled blister on a rotting corpse of a Hamas barbarian
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Calm down, dear. You’ll give yourself a coronary going on like that.
I'm entirely calm as I repudiate and assassinate the crucifixionist claims of lamentable lies that spew from crucifixionist mouths every time I'm in the comment sections. I'm sure you're calm as you're accused falsely of things you never did 🤦🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Unlike Ukrainian patriots and fighters, who hide their women and civilians in underground tunnels while they fight like men above ground, the Hamas maggots do the opposite, don’t they? Women and children on the front lines as human shields, cowardly maggot “resistance fighters” into the tunnels for cover!
Death to all maggots and their gutless maggot western useful idiot friends. MORTE.
Huh, all the Hamas videos I see show them confidently stalking the rubble and carefully laying well-planned ambushes which kill and maim about ten IDF per day, in average. Excellent work, and a masterclass in FIBUA and ambush techniques.
The Israeli videos typically show IOF parading in women's underwear, playing with Palestinian children's toys or blowing up hospitals and schools, or running away in a panic when exposed to return fire 🤔
You should get a Telegram account, because your view is skewed, it seems.
There is no padding thick enough for the insane asylum you belong in, RETARD.
C'mon, you're basically a nazi toe with eyebrows. Gtfoh 🤣
Hamas pedo cocksuckers calling others “Nazis.” 🤣🤣🤣
Go make me a Tik Tok video bitch and wait for that “beep beep” sound and incoming whoosh. Enjoy your rubble. 🐒🐒🐒
You already have a TikTok video. It's called "Boom Boom Tel Aviv", iirc...it's super popular, apparently, spread to YouTube as well.
Catchy beats, too 🎵🎶🎵🎵🎵🎶🎶
All the kids love it!
You seem nice.
So...why doesn't the IDF rescue the Palestinian women and children hostages of Hamas then? 🤔
Also you do realize Ukraine hides their children because the Russians are kidnapping them to be adopted by Russian citizens loyal to Vladimir Putin? 🤔
So one could argue based on this argument Russia is more heroic than Israel because kidnapping children isn't as bad as murdering them because they are used as a meat shield.
Your comments are is incomprehensible as your name is pronounceable fuck off and die
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
What a conundrum of a last name 🙄
Your classmates must have been merciless 😝😆😜
Tell your jihadi buddies to stock up on food before they start their next war and maybe use their tunnels for civilian protection instead of Hamas protection, there are no innocent Arabs in Gaza nor are there any skinny starving ones the only starvation is occurring by the Arabs to the Jewish hostages.
Name another army/nation that has fed the barbarian hordes who invaded it 🤦🏿♀️
The odiferous whore known as green slit could be smelled as she worked the Streets of Philadelphia, the ooze from the green slit was forevermore and a taint on Liberty City, you've got the makings of a pornstar horror movie, let me know how it's going, Rick rolled with a green slit 🤷🏿♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
Show me evidence of Innocence 👀
6000 Arabs of all ages dressed as civilians breached the border during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath against the most Arab indulgent Israelis and none of them turn themselves in as the criminals against Humanity that they are nor did any take Israel up on me 2 million dollar reward to facilitate freeing the hostages who have not been freed due to Hamas being evil Islamic cunts like there Islamic deflectionist bitches found in comment sections everywhere, May their sympathy and empathy for the Islamic barbarians result in unsympathetic barbaric encounters often and unpredictably forevermore
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
You were so mad at this movie that you literally hallucinated plot points
You know how bad the Gaza genocide has got when even the New York Times is ready to publish a noted (Israeli) Holocaust scholar explaining why this is one.
Omer Bartov: "Israel is literally trying to wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza."
More here: https://t.co/M6Rmhgpmiw
Bartov is a curiosity. It's incredible that any well-educated people can be so blind to the support that Israel has given to Gazans before and since the Hamas invasion and claim that Israel is guilty of genocide. It's clearer all the time that a university education has become a route to narrow, dogmatic thinking and is no longer a broadening experience.
Saying "even the New York Times" shows unwarranted respect for a newspaper that regularly shows that it has abandoned objectivity and commitment to truth.
Bartov is a leading Holocaust scholar, not “a curiosity”—his work has been cited and respected globally for decades. He’s a credible source… until he isn’t—namely, when his analysis challenges someone’s preferred war agenda. That selective credibility says more about the discomfort with his conclusions than about their validity.
The claim that Israel “supported Gazans” ignores the context of a 17-year blockade, repeated military assaults, and the humanitarian catastrophe we’re witnessing now. That’s precisely what Bartov is addressing when he says Israel is trying to "literally wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza."
And yes, I mentioned The New York Times because even a paper so often accused of bias or caution toward Israeli policy saw the need to publish this. That signals how stark the situation is—not just morally, but historically.
We can disagree, but let’s not pretend academic analysis suddenly becomes “dogma” the moment it contradicts certain interests.
From what I've learned in these comments it seems Pro Israeli government commentators are arguing that the fact Palestinians are still alive and haven't been killed in a day is proof of to them that Israeli hasn't committed any military misconduct or genocide based on post WWW II global definitions of these subjecs.
The problem with this argument is that's it's paradox.
Palestine is so effectively controlled by Hamas that it presents an existential crisis to Israel's existence as a nation on the same level as Hamas launching a nuke at it BUT Israel has performed humane military conduct that doesn't violate any international conditions of misconduct because they've mercifully haven't killed everyone on the Gaza Strip despite having superior military firepower to Hamas.
In DC Comics terms Palestine is Apokolips and Hamas is Darkseid's inner circle and they are close to getting the anti life equation BUT Israel is like Superman and they mercifully have allowed the Gaza Strip to exist the same way Superman refuses to kill Lex Luthor and destroy his company LexCorp.
In simple terms Palestinians are dangerous worshippers of Hamas who are super dangerous BUT they are at Israel's mercy and their continued existence means Israel has committed no war crimes.
Me: But if they are an existential threat how are they at your mercy? 🤷 They wouldn't be an existential threat if they are disadvantaged in any way?
What's happened in the academy has developed over decades, not suddenly, but the roiling antisemitism since the October massacre has made it apparent to many more of us. Such willful blindness on steroids is appalling. The "blockade" is only to prevent weapons entering from the Mediterranean, since they're used only to harass and kill Israelis, and it was imposed only after Hamas began its reign of terror. Be grateful that you're not subject to the "tender mercies" of Hamas. Israel has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with the hostile forces it. But you probably can't admit that.
Accusing people like Bartov—or anyone citing him—of “roiling antisemitism” is a serious charge, and it’s being thrown around far too loosely. Criticism of a state’s military conduct, especially from Jewish scholars, isn’t antisemitism. That conflation shuts down necessary discussion and trivialises actual antisemitism.
The blockade didn’t begin because of October 7 — it’s been in place since 2007, after Hamas took control of Gaza, and it has collectively punished over 2 million people ever since. That’s not just about weapons; it has restricted food, fuel, medical supplies, and movement. UN officials have long called it a form of apartheid and illegal under international law.
As for Israel showing “restraint,” it has killed many, many people in Gaza, the majority of them women and children, and displaced nearly the entire population. Entire neighbourhoods and hospitals have been reduced to rubble. If that’s restraint, what would unrestrained force look like?
This isn’t about Hamas's “tender mercies” — which no one here is defending. It’s about whether a state can respond to terrorism by committing acts that leading genocide scholars now describe as genocidal. That’s the issue Bartov raised. Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.
Read my comment again, because you've almost completely misconstrued it. For example, the roiling antisemitism is what we've seen on campuses where education was replaced with encampments and harassment, even physical obstruction, of Jewish professors and students. Ditto for street protests that began almost as soon as the October massacre. You may approve, but most are disgusted.
You're so underhanded and dishonest it is genuinely astonishing. Do you guys really think saying shit as if it were true is enough to make it so? The fucking hasbara teaching you the secret of manifestation now?
I'm in awe of your erudite comment so articulately expressed. I hope you keep trolling with your incredible wisdom -- just what the world needs.
Facetiousness is unseemly.
Cool, thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware of this movie but now I'm going to really enjoy it!
⬆️🚨JERKOFF🚨⬆️
Harrowing, well-researched, and laid out. Thank you. The biggest takeaway for me, was the link out to Shaun King, a guy I passively followed on Twitter during the later days of the First Trump administration. As if his review wasn't gloat-central enough, I navigated over to his Facebook page to read his infantile Blood Libel-worthy assessments about the Israel-Palestinian conflicts. But zillions of useful idiots love and follow him.
I respectfully disagree. I think you’re missing the broader point.
https://youtu.be/YcSA7-4lBkw?si=sil9eOPC6rn9c2p1
Investigate Brigitte Gabriel and get to know reality, you won't investigate shit because you're a cursed deranged comments about Jews all day goitard 🧟♀️
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
You live in Australia lmfao
Awesome. Fucking awesome.
being offended by the new Superman movie is a new low; even for you Drew. Starting to become concerned about your mental well being. Praying you get the help you need brother
Do you not know about the existence of Serbia, Bosnia, and the general post-Yugoslav situation, or is just that whenever you see a country of racist imperialists you think “ah, this must be Israel”? Because that would be pretty telling
This level of assigning the villains to Israel is almost as tellingly anti-Semitic as you claim the movie is, lmao
It's time you retards picked up your asses that keep dropping off every time you comment about Jews about things that aren't funny yet asses have fallen off for a decade from the bitch ass chumps who keep using that phrase thanks for being a bitch ass jump and letting me call you out bitch ass jump
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Schizo
Nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first all the while despite gentile guile Jews are thriving with style as the fifth happiest Nation on the planet fighting a seven front war achieving more militarily in 2 years than NATO did in 60, fuck off with your Islamic deflectionism and bitchiness about Jews
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Sounds like a crucifixionist projecting again
A Jew in the year 5785 is in touch with reality, not a crucifixionist awaiting a failed Messiah
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Did you learn English from reading bathroom stall graffiti? You are utterly unintelligible and unintelligent.
Your brain has been evacuated to create the skatepark for the Jews between your ears for them to grind away all day everyday forever more rent-free thus you're unable to think forever more due to your cursed nature of a self-inflicted cause…
Everything you spew is goi projection…eat shit and die
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
looks like I'll have to watch the movie...
How soon till Australia announces caliphate status?
Leading the world in synagogue burnings, mazel tov.
SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? **
They're happy in Australia. They're happy in England. They're happy in Belgium. They're happy in Italy. They're happy in Germany. They're happy in Sweden. They're happy in Norway. They're happy in India. They're happy in the Canada. They're happy in the United States.
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame for their former unhappiness? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy!
Lesson 4
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION. Muslims 🤔
Insane. Find Seroquel
Tell it to your crucifixionist pals
Christian Murder Crucifixion
A recent disturbing case has emerged involving Adam Christopher Sheafe, who admitted to the crucifixion-style murder of Pastor William “Pastor Bill” Schonemann, 76, in New River, Arizona. Sheafe, 51, confessed during a jailhouse interview that he deliberately targeted Schonemann, whom he believed was leading people astray by following what Sheafe described as a "false God." He stated that his motive was religious, claiming that Christianity is incorrect and that the Bible should only include the Old Testament. Sheafe framed his actions as part of a self-proclaimed "divine mission" under "Operation First Commandment".
According to Sheafe, he had a broader plan to kill 14 Christian leaders across the country. Before Schonemann’s murder, he reportedly followed a priest in Phoenix after Easter Sunday services, intending to kill him, but refrained because two women entered the garage with the priest. He then traveled to Sedona, planning to kill two more religious figures, but was arrested shortly after Schonemann’s body was discovered on April 28.
Schonemann was found dead in his home with his arms stretched out and hands pinned to the wall in a manner mimicking crucifixion. A crown of thorns, made from nearby woods, was placed on his head. His death has been widely condemned as a grotesque and violent act motivated by extremist beliefs.
This case has sparked concern over religiously motivated violence and the safety of clergy members across the United States. It has also reignited discussions about the rise of anti-religious extremism and the need for greater awareness and protection for religious leaders.
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Anything you can't understand you call insane, what a useless inbred crucifixionist goitarded Islamic deflectionist🤦🏿♀️
Either the nation-state of Israel remains standing, which totally screws up our history, our identity, our supersessionist theology, and our narrative source of Hope. OR the nation-state of Israel is eliminated so our Story can get back on track and continue expanding gloriously towards the day of redemption and universal submission.
For us Muslims, for whom Islam means submission, it's an easy choice.
And by the way: When you Westerners take to the streets and shout "Free Free Palestine! From the river to the sea! Globalize the Intifada!" - well, you're singing our song.
"That's our Story and we're sticking to it."
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Looks like you’re a Jew-hating dirtbag.
It's. A. Movie. Omg
And this review makes cartoonish depictions of anyone who opposes shooting kids lined up for food.
Can you name another military that has fed the murdering hordes that attacked it during a ceasefire on a major religious holiday on top of a minor religious holiday while those attackers of all ages sizes and affiliations raped murdered burned and disfigured 1,200 victims?
Suggestion for you and your jihadi cohorts, stock up on food and use your tunnels for civilian protection instead of facilitating jihad.
I recall the Mormon massacre in rural America along with plenty of pale skins killing Redskins, now we have pale skins for Palestine 🤔💨🤡🕳️
Pallywood productions await your attentive viewing 😭🤣😂
My favorite is the singular fellow in multiple locations with the same bloody baby doll holding it up endearingly and pathetically for the pathetic audiences of the West 🧐
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-close-associate-reportedly-aided-transfer-of-qatari-funds-to-gaza/
But sure, keep acting like a total food blockade and then shooting children who try to access the one permitted distribution point isn’t a horror on par with Warsaw.
Yet another sanctimonious crucifixionist 💨
Name another civilization that has fed the invading barbarian hordes who overcame a border fence during a ceasefire on a Jewish high holy day on a Jewish sabbath and attacked maimed raped and set a fire the most Arab indulgent peace-loving Israelis in all of Israel fuck you eat shit and die you lamentable creep who sympathize with barbarians who strangle babies.
What a filthy scumbag you are to even stand up for barbarians, you're an anti-civilizational hemorrhoid shit stain pus filled wound of illogic and retardation.
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Except Israel doesn't do that. That's a hideous blood libel.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-shelling-kills-45-people-awaiting-aid-trucks-gaza-ministry-says-2025-06-17/
"Gaza ministry says."
Disprove it without using Israeli sources. Do it
There are no innocent Arabs in Gaza nor any starving ones they're all fat victims of their own shitting the bed
What a odiferous bloviating useless cunt of a used up windbag, nothing says failed Messiah like needing to return a second time to accomplish what wasn't accomplished the first and everyone knows the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact
Quran 2:191
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Quran 5.33
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Israel won't be turning the other cheek but you spread yours and turn them too
Go fuck yourself. Do it.
Tell me again how you didn't read the Israeli news source.
Israel doesn't do what?
The Eternal Jew and The Birth of a Nation are just movies. Omg get over it.
Movies can be intended to carry a political message.
Man, get with the program. Plenty of movies push stuff in this type of way. That's always been the case.